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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Steinberg now as listeners to after

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the power cast will testify even though

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Chris O'Brien is really a nice guy

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sometimes he is abused in such a way

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that he has to act so he got so sick of

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his television and the stations and

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content he was getting from DISH Network

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that he threw out the satellite dish

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right with prejudice extreme prejudice

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because he had to pay for actually I

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don't think they charge you for the dish

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they charge you for the set-top box

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yeah which they did so you threw out the

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set-top box to correct the receiver by

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the dish they just took off my roof was

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it worth it you know I kinda feel like I

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got almost a weird sort of sexual

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pleasure from it I just it just made me

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tender paid it all over seeing that

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thing fly through the air and land on

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the rock say I'd do it again in a

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heartbeat well you're not quite as bad

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as Elvis Presley in the old days when he

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didn't like something on TV he took out

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his 45 pistol and he shot the TV no I

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don't I don't discharge firearms nilly

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willy well I hope nilly knows that well

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will Willy does I don't know about nilly

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but Willy does so anyway if you want to

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find out what that was all about you

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have to listen to after the power cast

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and if you want to know how to get a

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copy it's very simple you go to plus dot

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the power cast compete lus dot the power

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plus that's a premium package it

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includes the after the power cast

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podcast which is a tongue twister to say

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as you might imagine also you get the ad

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free version of this show the power cast

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in a higher resolution copy and that

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works out really well because sometimes

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we talked to a guest and a lot of people

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that he stays and I know some of you fit

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into that category have decided that

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their mobile phones must be their

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landline phones Chris uses an iPhone he

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landline phone and sometimes the

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connection is great because an iPhone

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has good audio and sometimes AT&T

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conspires to deliver a really bad audio

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it's because AT&T does not like the

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paranormal or no coverage that's that's

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Verizon is the go-to service and the

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AT&T is more of a FEMEN Orban center

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coverage they don't really have you know

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a wide range of service out in the

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hinterlands well when it comes time to

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have paid off these devices maybe I'll

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switch to Verizon I don't know I had

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some encounters of Verizon support that

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were worse than AT&T now I'm going to

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tell people something here that Chris

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does not know I'm gonna give you a

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surprise okay as you know most of the

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time we've had our sites online

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we've been hosted by a Linux server okay

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actually if you wanna know specifically

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they're either made by HP or a company

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called Super Micro now we're doing an

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experiment today with all our websites

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and Chris doesn't know this yet but now

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he will be told okay when we get these

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Eon servers they're powerful they've got

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powerful boxes and I was talking with a

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dot-com and he said you can get pretty

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sites on a tiny Mac Mini which weighs

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what about 2 pounds well so you took a

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getting technical folks a big solid

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state drive and we moved all our sites

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to it and I bet you can't tell the

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difference no sounds of you know

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business as usual to me hosted on a Mac

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and the reason we mentioned that is

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because I have that of the radio show

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called the tech night how live and we

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show some favoritism towards apple gear

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as does Chris oh yeah I'm an absolute

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convert and there is no substitute it

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just works

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in fact what surprises me is that all

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the simultaneous users we have

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downloading an episode of the power cast

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on a Sunday that thing doesn't even

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break a sweat there's a tiny little box

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take a look at what a Mac Mini is it's a

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cheap computer it's

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very small it's a couple inches tall

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very tiny computer shows you what

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happens and next year maybe we'll do it

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on an iWatch or which is now called the

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Apple watch I'm kidding

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folks all right but I have to say here

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that I'm just thinking here as I edited

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the episode that we did with Greg Bishop

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how so many people in the UFO field are

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really living in a forest and not seeing

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the trees where they're looking at the

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field with tunnel vision and maybe

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that's why a lot of people think it's

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toxic there are so many fascinating

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ideas as to what is going on why it's

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going on how we fit into the picture and

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when we get people like a Greg Bishop

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who is not afraid to think about any

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possibility and look at things in a

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realistic way and present the stuff that

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really is compelling I just love it when

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it comes on and I was looking at our

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schedule and it's like two and a half

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years between his last two appearances

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back in 2012 and again on the 18th of

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January and we have to bring him on far

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more regularly Chris I agree I like I

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said I really enjoy having Greg on he's

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one of my favorite guests and his show

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is my favorite show to be a guest on

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right because he's not just gonna ask

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you routine questions he's gonna sit

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there and send your mind off into new

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directions you haven't considered and we

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need so much more of that I know in the

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old days back in the 60s and 70s I get

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together with my friends in the UFO

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field and we'd start speculating and

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these included people like Allen

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Greenfield even Jim Mosely we get

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involved in this picture and we talk

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about possibilities that really didn't

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get taken seriously by the public

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because everybody's talking about UFOs

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as if they are spaceships we know

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they're spaceships we know the aliens

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are here depending on your point of view

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they are either here to help us or they

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are here to harm us and our universe is

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so much more complicated than that

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that's like human relationships they're

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very complicated well if there's think

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of a family I live in now my political

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viewpoints are all over the place

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my wife watches fox news and she's a

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wonderful woman she's funny she's pretty

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she's talented she's a great singer by

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the way one day you ought to just get

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together with your keyboard and have her

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sing you a couple of tunes she's really

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good I think we came really close to her

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getting a position in the entertainment

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industry and then of course Grayson came

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along and we had priorities hey let's

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look at what we have today because we

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have a really fascinating episode by

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somebody that I gather you've probably

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known for awhile and I don't know him at

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all but I was looking at his bio and

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it's really interesting this guy has

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really done it all in terms of UFO

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research has got a really fascinating

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book tell us about David Marlar well I

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think I met David in back in 1998 at the

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show-me conference in st. Charles

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Missouri and he was he spent quite a bit

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of time in and of Western Illinois and

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was involved with a lot of the Missouri

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MUFON folks and although I really

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haven't met him or talked to him since I

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happened to be speaking with ray

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Stanford of course many of our listeners

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know about ray and his is very secretive

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work that he's been doing for quite a

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number of years analyzing his UFO films

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that range all the way back to the 50s

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and Ray mentioned a book called

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triangular UFOs an estimate of the

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situation and he was urging me to pick

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up a copy of it and get myself up to

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speed on David Marlowe's work and come

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to find out ray Stanford of all people

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who really doesn't like much of anything

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in the field of ufology went to Amazon

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and gave him a five-star review and

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coming from Ray I mean that that to me

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is one of the ultimate endorsements of

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someone's work because there's very very

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few people in the field - ray you know

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will will speak even positively about

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let alone you know urge you to check in

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to their work and

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there are a number of people in but

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they're very few and far between and

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David Marlow is one of them so you know

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I thought what the heck I might I might

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give it a shot and see if we can get

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David on the show and we have been able

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to land him he's also spoke with George

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Wingfield who is a kind of a shadowy

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person that's been lurking about the

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field for about 30 years so I you know

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again it's it's with pleasure that we

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get David Marlar on and I'm really

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looking forward to speaking with him

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about his work and don't forget to visit

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+ dot the power cast com + . ^ cast com

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to learn more about the power cast +

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David Marlar is coming up with Jean and

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Chris you're in the para cast first game

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attack of the rock codes and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more and Rocco is calm that's Rocco

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it's ro CKO like des comm so here's what

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happened I was placing an order online

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the site went down it took hours before

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it returned but I'd already placed the

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order with another company if your site

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goes down you could lose business and if

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you have a business or personal site

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you'll want to know it's easy to run and

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it will stay online at a web your site

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is hosted on one of the most reliable

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networks in the world talk to a sales

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humor from Midas resources are you tired

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of watching your hard-earned assets -

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and aloy as government spending is out

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of hand and the Federal Reserve is

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creating in excess of 20 billion a week

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those that led to the collapse of night

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twenty nine this is John Hamner and that

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was me in 2007 and we all know what

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happened when the subprime credit bubble

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burst by March 2009 the dollar lost 50

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percent of its value the entire US

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banking system was on the verge of

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collapsing like all financial problems

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of the past is history about to repeat

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David Marlar he's author of triangular

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UFOs an estimate of the situation the

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book came out about a year and a half

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ago and I notice and I marvel when I

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look over at the reviews at Amazon that

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most of those reviews are five-star and

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four-star reviews the heavy number of

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reviews including one from race Stanford

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by the way are five stars there's only

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one two-star review only eight three

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star reviews now we know reviews are

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polarizing so when somebody gets that

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percentage of favorable reviews

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they clearly have done something right

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do you pay attention to reviews at all

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David I do I tried to at least keep my

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finger on the pulse so to speak just to

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kind of see how the book is being

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received and how the material is being

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received and I have to admit with this

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being my first book I was somewhat

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surprised by that

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the reception that it received I don't

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think it's so much a reflection on me as

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a writer so much as I think it was the

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material that finally after you know

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years and decades of having these

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reports pour in that finally there was a

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book written dedicated to this you know

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very specific subset of UFO reports

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which is really the reason why I wrote

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it

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I felt that we really needed to put some

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laser focus so to speak on the subset of

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reports because they are so prevalent in

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in the UFO reporting today and so many

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people look at UFOs and they are cigar

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shaped their disc-shaped so again to

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this kind of UFOs it's really

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fascinating and I should point out I

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don't know if you've ever visited our

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forums at forum dr. Peric ascom we do

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have a forum on black triangle UFOs and

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this was sad like back in 2007 or

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something you know this of course was

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somebody who was not predicting the

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arrival of your book

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in fact just in passing the person who

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set up basically ran out of time and

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energy and just stopped participating I

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don't think it was the presence of

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triangular UFOs though I think it was

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the presence of real-life absolutely

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does it's difficult to maintain a real

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life and do UFO research and for some of

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us we don't do it now I'm going to ask

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you briefly about the MUFON connection

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because I guess in recent years we've

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had some controversies over a MUFON and

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their approach to different things and

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their interaction with a certain

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multi-millionaire investor it didn't

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turn out so right what's your take on

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MUFON today as someone who has been part

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of the organization well I certainly

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have had my issues with MUFON over the

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years now that being said I'm still a

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supporter of their their research

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efforts etc and admittedly over the last

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you know 10 15 20 years there's been a

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changing of the guard so to speak so I

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think to look at MUFON say ten years ago

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and compared to MUFON today it's very

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different just simply because there's

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there's been a change in leadership Jan

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Harz and I'll be meeting with next next

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month when I'm out in California

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speaking to one of the local MUFON

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groups out there so I'm looking forward

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to that to understand the vision that he

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has for MUFON moving forward and it's

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it's like most organizations and

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especially I think we need to emphasize

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that obviously MUFON is a volunteer

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organization so unlike any other

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volunteer organization are not unlike

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any other volunteer organization you

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have basically volunteers you know

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willing to spend their

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free time in their Treasury to

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investigate the UFO subject and an

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organization like MUFON has to take

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those that come along

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that's that sometimes includes the good

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bad and the ugly now that being said you

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know I would like to emphasize I've been

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in just very recent communication with

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several MUFON groups across the country

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who have reached out because of their

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influx of triangular UFO reports most

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recently Florida MUFON I was speaking

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with just last weekend and I'll be

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heading down there to speak as well in

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the near future and they're having an

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influx of triangular UFO reports so you

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have very good people and you know a

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good friend of mine James Clarkson

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Washington State Director phenomenal 35

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I believe 30 35 year veteran of law

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enforcement

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he really is approaching the subject the

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way that MUFON intended namely a

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conventional approach to an

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unconventional subject as I like to call

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it and you know I think they're doing a

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good job with the resources that they

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have at their disposal I think that's

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the best way of putting it but with Jan

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now leading the charge I think we may

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see some very positive changes I met Jan

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several years ago and I know his hearts

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in the right place and I know that he's

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really wanting to try to you know bring

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MUFON forward with kind of a 21st

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century mindset really give the

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organization a facelift and hangar one

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his side of course sorry

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hangar one the MUFON was so a side we

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kind of have had some issues that have

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been voiced on the show about the

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approach to that particular program the

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sensationalizing of non MUFON files and

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kind of presenting them as real cases

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like the Jackie Gleason widow's claim of

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her ex her you know dead husband being

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taken down to homestead Air Force Base

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by Richard Nixon and presented as a real

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case the list goes on and on we do take

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exception to be I guess sensationalizing

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and and you know really diving into the

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entertainment aspect of UFO research

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when it comes to MUFON public presence

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and we do

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have some some real issues with that

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program which got signed for a new

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season which starts I think this coming

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week okay interesting yeah I'll make

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sure I hide my DVR when that goes on

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well and Chris is you and I well know to

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you know sometimes your involvement in

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these productions you really don't know

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what the final results going to be but

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yeah and some of those situations where

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I think we need to delineate stories

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from cases and I even mention that in my

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book you know there's their stories and

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then there's cases cases are where

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you're actually sending investigators

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out establishing that a this witness

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does exist they are who they say they

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are and then trying to ascertain you

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know the details and separating the

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wheat from the chaff

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yeah the date dates dates and times are

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pretty important I think when it comes

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to data so if I in my data base which is

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quite extensive for a single geographic

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region if I had included every story

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that grandma said or some neighbors dog

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trainer next-door neighbor's cousin said

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I'd have a stack probably four feet tall

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of hard copies as it is my stack was

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only about four or five inches tall

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because I require 10 points of data and

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when cases are presented as cases when

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they're actually stories I think that

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that Jan should crack the whip a little

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bit with the production company and be

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more involved in that process and and

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I'm going to urge him again to please do

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that well thank you and I are in

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agreement on this from previous

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discussions but I think just taking a

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step back looking at the UFO community

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at large

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MUFON included I think that that is one

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of the funder fundamental problems that

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we're dealing with with this subject

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today is the fact that most people do

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not have a filter system most people are

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not so much researchers or investigators

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but a simple clearinghouse of anecdotal

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reports they collect the reports but

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they really don't try to parse the data

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to find is there some veracity here is

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there some embellishment is this person

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even who they say they are and

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unfortunately with the Internet today

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compared to say investigations done by a

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pro a night captain let's say the 50s

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60s and even the 70s you know now we

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have reports being submitted

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I UFO Bob at yahoo.com quite often there

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there's no you know vetting process by

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which you know researchers try to

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ascertain okay is this person who they

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I was looking into your background

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there's nothing you know really deep and

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dark just your bio and it shows here you

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know you never know of course you may

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come up with something that you receive

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a certification hypnotherapy yes back in

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the 90s is it yes that was it Johnson

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at the time in Bridgeton Missouri I

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thought it would be a nice supplement to

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my degree in psychology that I was

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working on at the time of course at that

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time abduction research was kind of in

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the forefront in the UFO field and at

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that time I knew John Carpenter in his

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very early days in Springfield Missouri

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because I was down there quite a bit

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assisting MUFON groups down there with

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cattle mutilation and UFO sighting

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reports okay so having gotten thus

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involved how closely did you check out

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the reports of UFO abductions we've had

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a few discussions about in recent weeks

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and I want to have your take well I mean

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we tried to investigate to the best of

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our abilities I very quickly kind of

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distanced myself from the subject though

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just because of the ethereal nature of

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it I'm more interested in trying to

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ascertain facts documented information

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physical evidence and conversation I was

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just having with another researcher just

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yesterday I was expressing my

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frustration in the sense that I would

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have these you know quote-unquote

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abductees calling me all hours of the

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day and night to update me saying I

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think I just had another experience and

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in at least two cases they referenced

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the possibility of physical evidence in

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one particular instance they said that

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there was this unusual fluid in their

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bed on their bedspread that was not

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there before the abduction or purported

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abduction but it was there now okay now

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before you say anything more I think

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every listener here

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it's gonna listen to that and say hmm

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what does he mean well I'll leave that

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up to the listeners interpretation but

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sounds a little bit like an incubus or a

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succubus he's at work in play or

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something well I think we'd like the

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succubus that comes from the TV show

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Lost Girls regardless of what the nature

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of that was of course as an investigator

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my first comment was well you know do

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you still have the bedspread do you

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still have that oh no i laundered that

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the next morning so here we have the

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possibility of some type of physical

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evidence of something and it was

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conveniently laundered the next morning

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so in other words there is nothing to

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back up the story and there was another

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instance were of a similar nature where

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there was purported physical we call it

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evidence residue what have you of an

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ported abduction anyone I inquired as

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far as obtaining that they basically

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said well I threw that away so it was at

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that point where again due to the the

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time involvement the fact that you know

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in dealing with these people there's

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just a huge time commitment because it's

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not something that happened you know in

738
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their minds or in reality it's something

739
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:50,090
that continues to occur but you know

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when you have these instances where I'm

741
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not interested in chasing stories I'm

742
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interested in chasing fact and when you

743
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have purported physical evidence to

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substantiate your story and in at least

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these two instances it conveniently

746
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disappeared at that point I'm ready to

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distance myself because I'm not

748
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interested just in stories I'm

749
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interested in trying to document these

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00:31:12,910 --> 00:31:10,790
purported encounters

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00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:12,920
well that bothers me too if this is such

752
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an important element in their lives why

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do they treat it so casually well that

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and the other things that I picked up on

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was the fact that many of these

756
00:31:29,260 --> 00:31:27,440
quote-unquote abductees claim that

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00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:29,270
they've been abducted now I don't know

758
00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:32,720
about you Jean and Kris but if a human

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came into my bedroom in the middle of

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the night and was suddenly standing at

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the foot of my bed

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that would really terrify me if I

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suddenly woke up and just saw this

764
00:31:46,390 --> 00:31:42,230
figure standing there and I'm talking

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human now if we now interpose a an alien

766
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:48,620
a gray you know the stereotypical gray

767
00:31:53,290 --> 00:31:51,290
into that scenario I don't know about

768
00:31:54,910 --> 00:31:53,300
you but whether it's an alien or a human

769
00:31:56,350 --> 00:31:54,920
I would probably be pretty traumatized

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after that and I would have a hard time

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going to sleep you know especially if

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00:32:01,330 --> 00:31:59,510
you know going into some of these

773
00:32:03,670 --> 00:32:01,340
detailed narratives that are described I

774
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:03,680
would be heavily traumatized yet I was

775
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:05,030
struck by the fact that a lot of these

776
00:32:11,170 --> 00:32:07,910
abductees are so casual and blase about

777
00:32:13,540 --> 00:32:11,180
describing their abductions and as far

778
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:13,550
as I'm concerned these stories are these

779
00:32:17,710 --> 00:32:15,650
these purported abductions are

780
00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:17,720
essentially raped and I've dealt with

781
00:32:21,310 --> 00:32:19,580
people not professionally but just

782
00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:21,320
personally in my in my life that have

783
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:23,540
actually been unfortunately through a

784
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:26,510
rape episode and when you talk to these

785
00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:28,790
people you still see the nonverbal body

786
00:32:32,650 --> 00:32:30,950
language you still see that anxiety you

787
00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:32,660
still see that post-traumatic stress

788
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,000
that manifests itself when they talk

789
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:37,760
about it and yet you have these and I

790
00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:38,930
don't want to I hate to paint with a

791
00:32:43,540 --> 00:32:41,150
broad brush but many of these abductees

792
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:43,550
or purported abductees that will get up

793
00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:45,170
at a conference and it's almost like a

794
00:32:49,660 --> 00:32:47,540
badge of honor it's almost like they're

795
00:32:52,210 --> 00:32:49,670
describing how they won the lottery or

796
00:32:55,260 --> 00:32:52,220
they won a car there there's no

797
00:32:58,690 --> 00:32:55,270
hallmarks of a traumatic emotional

798
00:33:01,300 --> 00:32:58,700
invasive experience yeah that's that's

799
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:01,310
you got to have some red flags going up

800
00:33:04,510 --> 00:33:02,930
when you hear that yeah another thing

801
00:33:07,330 --> 00:33:04,520
you know somebody pointed out I think

802
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:07,340
half jokingly to me how come it's a lot

803
00:33:13,390 --> 00:33:10,490
of middle-aged suburban women that tend

804
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,400
to be it seems to be the focus of a lot

805
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:15,440
of these abduction accounts and and I

806
00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:17,450
don't think that again at using your

807
00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:19,100
term using a broad brush I don't think

808
00:33:23,620 --> 00:33:21,590
that that's completely accurate but it

809
00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:23,630
does kind of make you wonder that there

810
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:26,380
appears to be obviously an intensely

811
00:33:33,070 --> 00:33:29,810
deep-rooted psychological component to

812
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,080
this particular mystery that I think is

813
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:35,600
often glossed over and overlooked and I

814
00:33:39,670 --> 00:33:36,710
think you're bringing up a very good

815
00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:39,680
point here there was one particular case

816
00:33:45,730 --> 00:33:41,990
I investigated in the Midwest this goes

817
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back at least 10-15 years now and there

818
00:33:51,090 --> 00:33:48,470
were just just like any investigation

819
00:33:53,290 --> 00:33:51,100
that you or I would conduct you look for

820
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:53,300
inconsistencies in the narrative and

821
00:33:57,220 --> 00:33:54,710
I'll never forget this one particular

822
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instance it was a very you know based on

823
00:34:02,450 --> 00:33:59,610
my observations very lonely woman

824
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and she described that she believes she

825
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was abducted again I didn't see the

826
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:06,720
hallmarks of any type of traumatic

827
00:34:11,420 --> 00:34:09,540
experience as she's describing it but

828
00:34:15,910 --> 00:34:11,430
she she went on to describe the fact

829
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that this 30-foot UFO landed outside and

830
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obviously I wanted to go see where this

831
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:19,680
occurred you know well you know when

832
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:20,910
we're finished talking do you mind if we

833
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go outside you can show me she proceeds

834
00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:24,840
to take me out the back door and walk to

835
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the side of the house and this was in a

836
00:34:31,850 --> 00:34:29,640
fairly residential area and she said

837
00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:31,860
well this is where it's set down now

838
00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:34,710
mind you she described a 30-foot UFO

839
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:38,070
diameter UFO and the space between the

840
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two houses could not have been more than

841
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eight feet and the area where she said

842
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the the vegetation was pressed down was

843
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just a little flowerbed

844
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,000
and indeed there were a few flowers and

845
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:53,520
little plants pressed down but to be

846
00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:54,570
honest with you I noticed there were

847
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:56,910
cats running around so if anything it

848
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,170
looked like it was where the cat had

849
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:00,480
actually nestled down but 30 foot

850
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:02,730
diameter UFO squeezing into an

851
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:04,770
eight-foot space between these two

852
00:35:07,340 --> 00:35:06,210
buildings it just simply didn't add up

853
00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:07,350
you know what

854
00:35:17,060 --> 00:35:14,550
the UFO was a TARDIS you know it's

855
00:35:18,860 --> 00:35:17,070
things like this obviously anything from

856
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:18,870
a sighting report to a cattle mutilation

857
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report to an abduction report that as

858
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investigators we need to weed out and

859
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you know unfortunately as we know in

860
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this field it's rampant with the the

861
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:29,970
credulous UFO believer that accepts

862
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:31,290
everything and then we have on the other

863
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:33,180
end of the spectrum the arch skeptic

864
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:35,550
that refuses to accept or investigate

865
00:35:39,830 --> 00:35:37,770
anything and I think really you know

866
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:39,840
where the work is being done where

867
00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:41,670
people like ourselves are engaged in

868
00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:43,080
this is trying to separate the wheat

869
00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:45,780
from the chaff it's much harder to try

870
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:48,030
to weed out the two versus just

871
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:49,890
arbitrarily accepting or arbitrarily

872
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:52,890
dismissing all of it now some people who

873
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have investigated abductions say that

874
00:36:01,960 --> 00:35:58,650
this is the result of ET or whatever it

875
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is coming here to create a hybrid race

876
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,160
so we have some abductees women

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obviously claiming to have been

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impregnated artificially inseminated by

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these alien beings and

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maybe to have even seen the spawn of

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this illicit relationship or whatever it

882
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is and I want to ask our next segment

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about that about the viewpoint that

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abductions are not only real that would

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get your take as to what's causing it

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but are the result of aliens engaging in

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some kind of genetic experimentation or

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with david Marlar I frame my question at

1014
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the beginning of the last episode about

1015
00:42:01,210 --> 00:41:58,370
the fact that we have people like dr.

1016
00:42:04,540 --> 00:42:01,220
David Jacobs and the lake but Hopkins

1017
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:04,550
taking abductions very seriously to them

1018
00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:06,770
it's evidence of alien visitation

1019
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:10,150
dr. Jacobs very much in favor of this

1020
00:42:15,550 --> 00:42:13,610
hybrid race Theory what's your take

1021
00:42:17,740 --> 00:42:15,560
about that and what do you think is

1022
00:42:20,530 --> 00:42:17,750
causing people to believe they were

1023
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:20,540
abducted by aliens well first let me

1024
00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:22,910
preface the fact that I'm not going to

1025
00:42:28,270 --> 00:42:25,220
sit here and deny that alien abductions

1026
00:42:29,590 --> 00:42:28,280
can't exist I certainly don't know so

1027
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,600
I'll be the first to say that and that's

1028
00:42:34,330 --> 00:42:31,280
quite off of my statement with a lot of

1029
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:34,340
this UFO related subject matter you know

1030
00:42:39,010 --> 00:42:37,010
I don't know so I'm not gonna you know

1031
00:42:41,770 --> 00:42:39,020
categorically state that abductions are

1032
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:41,780
not occurring but that being said I

1033
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:44,510
think with these claims we need to have

1034
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,090
a high degree of evidence to support

1035
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:49,520
these these theories and these ideas in

1036
00:42:54,990 --> 00:42:52,250
my humble opinion I just don't see

1037
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:55,000
enough evidence to support these ideas

1038
00:43:00,460 --> 00:42:57,890
admittedly the information is sketchy at

1039
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:00,470
best when working with abductees and

1040
00:43:05,470 --> 00:43:03,260
talking with abductees and again this

1041
00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:05,480
may not include all of them but a lot of

1042
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,880
them will tell you when the abduction

1043
00:43:12,010 --> 00:43:10,160
experience is occurring it's like an

1044
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,020
altered state of consciousness it almost

1045
00:43:17,050 --> 00:43:15,440
has a dreamlike quality well you know if

1046
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:17,060
it walks like a duck quacks like a duck

1047
00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:19,490
it probably is a duck so if you have to

1048
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:21,980
ask yourself you know could this be

1049
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:25,089
dream state or are these dream states in

1050
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:27,170
interspersed with a fantasy prone

1051
00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:30,410
personality my background is actually in

1052
00:43:33,579 --> 00:43:31,910
sleep medicine I'm a registered

1053
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polysomnographic technician I actually

1054
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ran sleep studies in st. Louis and I

1055
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worked for a international company that

1056
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deals in sleep and respiratory medicine

1057
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I've worked with a number of

1058
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narcoleptics I've actually ran the

1059
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studies to diagnose and to basically

1060
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diagnose their their medical condition

1061
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in a controlled lab environment

1062
00:43:57,849 --> 00:43:55,670
I personally have ran dozens if not

1063
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hundreds of patients who ultimately

1064
00:44:03,099 --> 00:44:00,160
received the diagnosis of narcolepsy and

1065
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:03,109
they described as I'm watching them as

1066
00:44:06,430 --> 00:44:05,089
they're sleeping as I'm video recording

1067
00:44:09,010 --> 00:44:06,440
them as I'm measuring all the

1068
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:09,020
physiological parameters they wake up

1069
00:44:12,670 --> 00:44:10,970
after I go into the room and they say I

1070
00:44:14,589 --> 00:44:12,680
saw a figure standing at the foot of my

1071
00:44:17,260 --> 00:44:14,599
bed or I saw lights flying around the

1072
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:17,270
room in many cases sleep paralysis is

1073
00:44:21,849 --> 00:44:20,570
also an indicator of narcolepsy and a

1074
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,859
lot of times they would say I felt

1075
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:23,359
paralyzed I couldn't move there was a

1076
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,290
presence in the room

1077
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:26,240
there was a figure standing at the foot

1078
00:44:31,450 --> 00:44:29,210
of my bed so with my knowledge of sleep

1079
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,460
medicine I have to look at that as well

1080
00:44:35,410 --> 00:44:32,960
and say are some of these people

1081
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:35,420
experiencing sleep paralysis are they in

1082
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:37,369
fact having hypnagogic hallucinations

1083
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:39,890
because I personally in my own

1084
00:44:43,660 --> 00:44:41,450
experience have dealt with these

1085
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:43,670
patients and they have relayed this to

1086
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me

1087
00:44:48,339 --> 00:44:46,400
so I have to be very cautious about

1088
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:48,349
these claims and again I think it comes

1089
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:51,290
back to physical evidence and I know

1090
00:44:55,690 --> 00:44:52,910
there have been a lot of reports of

1091
00:44:57,700 --> 00:44:55,700
fetuses that were later taken but you

1092
00:44:59,620 --> 00:44:57,710
know again I think a lot of that can be

1093
00:45:02,109 --> 00:44:59,630
chalked up to just spontaneous abortion

1094
00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:02,119
which is a natural process that occurs I

1095
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:05,990
think just like a UFO sighting case we

1096
00:45:09,790 --> 00:45:07,910
need to rule out all the prosaic

1097
00:45:12,370 --> 00:45:09,800
explanations before we're willing to

1098
00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:12,380
entertain the extra-terrestrial or non

1099
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:15,470
non worldly nature of these these

1100
00:45:22,329 --> 00:45:17,930
so-called reports boy you sure preaching

1101
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:22,339
to the choir with that one it sounds it

1102
00:45:26,290 --> 00:45:24,530
sounds like something that well gene and

1103
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:26,300
I have been saying for quite a number of

1104
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:28,730
years now and and we absolutely agree

1105
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:30,650
with you that's not to say that there

1106
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:31,410
isn't

1107
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,720
thing at the core of this that's that's

1108
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:36,720
very real very scary but when people

1109
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:39,690
like David Jacobs and others make claims

1110
00:45:44,779 --> 00:45:42,210
that millions of people are being

1111
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:44,789
subjected to alien abduction millions of

1112
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:45,690
people

1113
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:48,480
it's statements like that that just it

1114
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:51,630
just makes me squirm because like you

1115
00:45:57,049 --> 00:45:53,160
said we don't have the evidence to

1116
00:45:59,779 --> 00:45:57,059
support you know a fantastic statement

1117
00:46:01,940 --> 00:45:59,789
like that no in Chris and like you said

1118
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:01,950
I'm not here to say alien abductions are

1119
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:03,900
not occurring I can't say that

1120
00:46:08,420 --> 00:46:05,640
definitively like I can't sit here and

1121
00:46:10,339 --> 00:46:08,430
say there is not a god I mean I can't be

1122
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,349
that arrogant to make a statement like

1123
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,480
that and I will say that I've met dr.

1124
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:14,880
David Jacobs and I enjoy speaking with

1125
00:46:20,029 --> 00:46:17,910
dr. Jacobs and I one thing that I

1126
00:46:22,970 --> 00:46:20,039
unfortunately I think he's eclipsed by

1127
00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:22,980
his abduction research in later years he

1128
00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:24,750
wrote in my opinion one of the earliest

1129
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:26,700
and most definitive histories of the UFO

1130
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:28,740
subject the UFO controversy in America

1131
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,440
just an absolute classic in my opinion

1132
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:33,599
that was really only eclipsed by the

1133
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:35,400
later historical books by Richard Dolan

1134
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:38,970
right yeah true it was a it's a go-to

1135
00:46:42,859 --> 00:46:40,980
book and very well done - I mean the

1136
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:42,869
guy's a professor of history so you know

1137
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:46,770
he's no slouch when it aside when we

1138
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:49,049
started subscribing numbers to the

1139
00:46:53,029 --> 00:46:51,420
degree that you're describing yeah I

1140
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:53,039
think we need to be very cautious about

1141
00:46:58,460 --> 00:46:56,490
that and I know that we need to be very

1142
00:47:00,980 --> 00:46:58,470
careful and it let's be honest in any

1143
00:47:03,529 --> 00:47:00,990
scientific field or area of inquiry we

1144
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:03,539
need to be very careful about statements

1145
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:05,849
that we make and I think yes when we

1146
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:08,010
start extrapolating and saying millions

1147
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:10,440
of these experiences are occurring

1148
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:13,770
despite the number of cases that may be

1149
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:16,170
on your desk I still think we need to be

1150
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:18,900
very cautious because as far as the the

1151
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:21,180
so-called alien implants that have been

1152
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:24,180
recovered interesting but I'm still not

1153
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,130
convinced I'm sorry I don't see anything

1154
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:28,440
that suggests advanced technology as a

1155
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:30,210
result of these so-called implants if

1156
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:32,970
anything they're normal prosaic objects

1157
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:34,890
that have entered the person's body

1158
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:37,410
either due to accident or what have you

1159
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:39,990
that have later become calcified the

1160
00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:41,910
body's natural response to trying to

1161
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:45,150
basically dispel the foreign object I

1162
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,380
just haven't seen any compelling

1163
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,240
evidence in the way of a letís so-called

1164
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:50,400
alien implants have you seen Derrel Sims

1165
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:53,130
collection I haven't I actually met

1166
00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:54,450
Darrell for the first time at the

1167
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,910
Roswell conference last year but I'm

1168
00:48:00,799 --> 00:47:58,319
hoping to reconnect with him and have

1169
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:00,809
further discussions yeah he's got quite

1170
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:02,910
an interesting thoughts on blodge of the

1171
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:04,710
purported alien implants and I'll tell

1172
00:48:08,299 --> 00:48:05,640
you a boy with the state of

1173
00:48:10,819 --> 00:48:08,309
nanotechnology today it's it's kind of a

1174
00:48:12,769 --> 00:48:10,829
head scratcher how any of those objects

1175
00:48:15,289 --> 00:48:12,779
could be construed as some sort of

1176
00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:15,299
high-tech monitoring device or an alien

1177
00:48:21,289 --> 00:48:18,630
implant I'd the one I could have sworn

1178
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:21,299
looked like the smallest size finishing

1179
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:24,450
there I mean it was a female yeah they

1180
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:26,250
had a little head on it and it had a

1181
00:48:32,299 --> 00:48:29,099
point you know and exactly yeah I don't

1182
00:48:34,490 --> 00:48:32,309
know you know yeah I did work with

1183
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,500
abductees in the early 90s like I say

1184
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:36,960
very quickly shied away from that that

1185
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:39,180
area of research and I know Kathleen

1186
00:48:44,660 --> 00:48:42,510
Martin you know very well good a friend

1187
00:48:46,279 --> 00:48:44,670
of mine and I respect her work I think

1188
00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:46,289
she brings a certain level of sobriety

1189
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:49,859
to the area of abduction research in the

1190
00:48:54,589 --> 00:48:52,020
sense that I think she's really trying

1191
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:54,599
to do do the investigations do the

1192
00:49:00,440 --> 00:48:57,210
research the proper way I don't think

1193
00:49:02,329 --> 00:49:00,450
she's necessarily prone to hyperbole as

1194
00:49:04,339 --> 00:49:02,339
we were describing with some of the

1195
00:49:06,740 --> 00:49:04,349
other researchers as far as you know

1196
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:06,750
trying to subscribe' numbers and things

1197
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:09,210
like that but I think Kathleen is her

1198
00:49:13,690 --> 00:49:10,440
hearts in the right place and I think

1199
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:13,700
she's doing good work and I'm all for

1200
00:49:19,789 --> 00:49:17,460
investigating these cases III don't

1201
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:19,799
believe that we should ever approach the

1202
00:49:23,660 --> 00:49:21,900
UFO subject or any of the facets of UFO

1203
00:49:26,660 --> 00:49:23,670
subject whether it's abductions cattle

1204
00:49:28,789 --> 00:49:26,670
mutilations UFO sightings etc from the

1205
00:49:30,769 --> 00:49:28,799
point of ignorance I think we should

1206
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:30,779
investigate but we should also bring a

1207
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:33,480
certain modicum of skepticism when we're

1208
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:35,849
doing these investigations yeah I think

1209
00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:39,569
the bar needs to be set and I think just

1210
00:49:45,650 --> 00:49:42,630
generally a higher a higher place again

1211
00:49:48,049 --> 00:49:45,660
but you know enough of these abduction

1212
00:49:50,269 --> 00:49:48,059
cases and it's good to know that someone

1213
00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:50,279
with your educational background and

1214
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:52,740
your work history has become involved in

1215
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:54,089
that particular subject we need more

1216
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:56,130
people like you David doing that

1217
00:50:01,010 --> 00:49:57,810
but what we're here to talk about today

1218
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:01,020
primarily is this really good book that

1219
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:03,450
you that you've written it I I really

1220
00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:06,270
can't recommend to our listeners enough

1221
00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:09,750
this is a subset of UFO sightings that

1222
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:12,120
you hear about a lot but there hasn't

1223
00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:15,570
been this kind of real intensive look at

1224
00:50:22,060 --> 00:50:17,880
this particular subject and a breakdown

1225
00:50:24,830 --> 00:50:22,070
of these cases some very very compelling

1226
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:24,840
well documented cases too I might add

1227
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:28,380
and just you continually hear you know

1228
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:31,020
this black triangle term bannered about

1229
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:33,300
and it's it's becoming more and more

1230
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:36,780
prevalent what was your initial impulse

1231
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:39,420
that what was it the lack of a book like

1232
00:50:43,940 --> 00:50:40,920
this that that kind of put you in a

1233
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:43,950
place of wanting to write this and start

1234
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,710
researching this subject or was it a

1235
00:50:51,050 --> 00:50:48,720
particular investigation that he did

1236
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:51,060
that really got you going or once you

1237
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:53,250
give us a sense of how you got this idea

1238
00:50:58,100 --> 00:50:55,410
in the first place before you have that

1239
00:51:00,680 --> 00:50:58,110
answer we are going to do our break okay

1240
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,690
all right we'll have a short pause folks

1241
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:02,400
and then he'll answer how we got

1242
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:05,250
involved in looking into triangular UFOs

1243
00:51:10,220 --> 00:51:08,130
let me also tell you we have this free

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00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:10,230
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1245
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1254
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:31,860
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GC n hi this is Ted Anderson have you

1271
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:20,870
ever wondered why banks stockbrokers

1272
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:22,370
investment advisors won't talk about

1273
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gold IRAs they've been available since

1274
00:52:28,540 --> 00:52:26,780
1986 yet the financial industry won't

1275
00:52:30,460 --> 00:52:28,550
recognize the value of gold for your

1276
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retirement goal has outperformed paper

1277
00:52:34,270 --> 00:52:32,780
investments yet no word about IRAs if

1278
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:34,280
you would like to have gold for your

1279
00:52:39,790 --> 00:52:37,970
retirement call 866 to 237 don't get

1280
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:39,800
left behind by rising inflation and low

1281
00:53:34,900 --> 00:52:43,760
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1282
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1283
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:40,610
call guns Amy comedy for four tucán 80

1284
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:43,370
but hurry supplies are limited call

1285
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eight four four two guns 80 or get your

1286
00:53:51,540 --> 00:53:47,380
ghost ar-15 today at gun

1287
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[Applause]

1288
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,690
[Music]

1289
00:53:59,480 --> 00:53:55,760
[Applause]

1290
00:54:03,790 --> 00:53:59,490
welcome back into the para cast the gold

1291
00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:03,800
standard of paranormal radio and now

1292
00:54:15,980 --> 00:54:12,540
here's Jane Steinberg so now we move

1293
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:15,990
into our laser-like focus of triangular

1294
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:19,530
UFOs david Marlar well you asked about

1295
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,420
where my interest really started with

1296
00:54:26,359 --> 00:54:23,520
with regard to the triangular UFO

1297
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:26,369
phenomenon and like many my attention

1298
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:27,960
was first drawn to it during the famous

1299
00:54:34,690 --> 00:54:30,960
wave of sightings in belgium from 1989

1300
00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:34,700
to 1991 and my first exposure was a

1301
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:37,710
MUFON cover story written by Bob Pratt

1302
00:54:42,830 --> 00:54:40,380
the late Bob Pratt and I found it

1303
00:54:45,350 --> 00:54:42,840
fascinating for a number of reasons one

1304
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:45,360
we weren't dealing with reported lights

1305
00:54:49,220 --> 00:54:47,160
in the sky which I think you know we

1306
00:54:51,380 --> 00:54:49,230
really need to kind of cleanse the field

1307
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:51,390
and focus more on these structured

1308
00:54:55,220 --> 00:54:53,490
objects that are being reported I mean

1309
00:54:57,350 --> 00:54:55,230
there's only so many light in the sky

1310
00:54:59,330 --> 00:54:57,360
reports that we can deal with and to me

1311
00:55:01,730 --> 00:54:59,340
they really amount to nothing and they

1312
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:01,740
have 12 million of them on YouTube if

1313
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,310
you need to see them exactly you spend a

1314
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,960
lifetime reviewing all these light in

1315
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:09,119
the sky videos that have been captured

1316
00:55:13,820 --> 00:55:11,490
but what really struck me was the of

1317
00:55:16,090 --> 00:55:13,830
course one the scale of these objects

1318
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:16,100
they were reported very low altitude

1319
00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:18,930
very large in size we're not talking the

1320
00:55:24,980 --> 00:55:21,990
little classic 30 foot diameter flying

1321
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:24,990
saucer flying discs second the fact that

1322
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,330
the Belgian military was taking it quite

1323
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:29,280
seriously and not only taking it

1324
00:55:32,570 --> 00:55:31,260
seriously but being vocal holding a

1325
00:55:36,770 --> 00:55:32,580
press conference to discuss the

1326
00:55:38,930 --> 00:55:36,780
incidents and the subsequent f-16 radar

1327
00:55:39,410 --> 00:55:38,940
tracking that occurred later during that

1328
00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:39,420
wave

1329
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:41,430
I found that particularly interesting

1330
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:43,530
especially when you compare that to the

1331
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,960
United States Air Force's position where

1332
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:47,280
they really don't ever want to even

1333
00:55:50,420 --> 00:55:49,140
acknowledge or talk about it and always

1334
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:50,430
give you the blanket excuse that they

1335
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:52,170
stopped investigating in December 69

1336
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:53,850
with a termination of Project Blue Book

1337
00:56:00,050 --> 00:55:57,090
so this was a departure in in the field

1338
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:00,060
of ufology of course after the Belgian

1339
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:02,130
way then we started receiving additional

1340
00:56:06,859 --> 00:56:04,920
reports in other countries but as I

1341
00:56:08,570 --> 00:56:06,869
stated in the book my interest went from

1342
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:08,580
academic to

1343
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:11,910
On January 5th 2000 we just had the 15th

1344
00:56:17,930 --> 00:56:14,640
anniversary here recently we had this

1345
00:56:19,850 --> 00:56:17,940
famous wave of sightings by various

1346
00:56:21,980 --> 00:56:19,860
police officers in southern Illinois and

1347
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:21,990
at the time I was living in southern

1348
00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:23,910
Illinois about 15 20 miles from where

1349
00:56:27,890 --> 00:56:26,040
all these sightings occurred the time I

1350
00:56:30,110 --> 00:56:27,900
was the Illinois mufon state director

1351
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:30,120
and I was the closest investigator so I

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00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:32,700
interviewed these police officers and as

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00:56:36,590 --> 00:56:34,350
I was sitting in the various police

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00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:36,600
departments sitting across the desk from

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00:56:41,180 --> 00:56:39,090
these officers asking them my standard

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00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:41,190
series of questions I found it very

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00:56:45,980 --> 00:56:43,800
strange that as they're describing their

1358
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:45,990
sighting I'm reflecting back on the

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00:56:49,340 --> 00:56:47,910
testimony that I was familiar with of

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00:56:52,310 --> 00:56:49,350
these Jean d'armes

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00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,320
in Belgium 10 years prior you could

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00:56:56,780 --> 00:56:54,000
almost take the beginning of one

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00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,790
sentence from the Jean dharm and marry

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00:57:02,090 --> 00:56:59,040
it with the statement of these Illinois

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00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:02,100
police officers the shape of the object

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00:57:06,650 --> 00:57:04,410
in many cases the size of the object in

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00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:06,660
many cases the flight dynamics and

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00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:08,490
lighting characteristics were eerily

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00:57:14,090 --> 00:57:10,890
similar to what I was familiar with in

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00:57:15,740 --> 00:57:14,100
Belgium and so I began to think that's

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00:57:17,690 --> 00:57:15,750
where the wheels really started turning

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00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,700
after I concluded my investigation into

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00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:20,400
that case that if there are parallels

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00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:23,010
between these cases are there parallels

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00:57:28,580 --> 00:57:25,530
with cases in the literature in the data

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00:57:31,450 --> 00:57:28,590
and over the next several years began an

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00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:31,460
exhaustive examination of books journals

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00:57:36,110 --> 00:57:34,530
newsletters newspaper archives and

1379
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,120
during the same time period I was

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00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:37,920
amassing a very large private UFO

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00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,040
library and so I had at my disposal many

1382
00:57:46,460 --> 00:57:43,920
rare news clippings in many rare reports

1383
00:57:48,650 --> 00:57:46,470
that weren't necessarily out there on

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00:57:50,060 --> 00:57:48,660
the internet for all to see at the same

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00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:50,070
time as I'm putting together this

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00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:51,810
information and by the way I did find

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00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,160
that there was a rich history as

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00:57:58,220 --> 00:57:55,440
outlined in the book of these cases I

1389
00:58:00,290 --> 00:57:58,230
was also finding statements that were

1390
00:58:03,170 --> 00:58:00,300
very prevalent on the Internet

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00:58:05,180 --> 00:58:03,180
armchair researchers saying well this

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00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:05,190
triangular phenomenon is something new

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00:58:08,540 --> 00:58:07,110
therefore it must be military well we

1394
00:58:11,450 --> 00:58:08,550
didn't hear about these triangles until

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00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:11,460
the 1980s and jeev and Chris I'm sitting

1396
00:58:15,590 --> 00:58:13,920
there as I'm reading these articles or

1397
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:15,600
postings on the internet I'm looking at

1398
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:17,910
a wealth of newspaper articles right in

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00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:20,700
front of me going back to 1960s going

1400
00:58:25,310 --> 00:58:21,810
back to the 1950s

1401
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:25,320
not only describing triangular UFOs but

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00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:27,210
triangular UFOs with the same lighting

1403
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:29,010
characteristics there's one case in the

1404
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:32,250
book from the Hartford Corin from 1960

1405
00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:36,960
with a sketch of the UFO and I challenge

1406
00:58:40,220 --> 00:58:38,550
anyone to look at that and tell me if

1407
00:58:42,290 --> 00:58:40,230
that does not look exactly like the

1408
00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:42,300
reports that we're receiving today the

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00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:43,950
lights are the same the flight

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00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:45,420
characteristics is outlined in the

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00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:47,430
article are the same the witness stated

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00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:49,170
that with the other witnesses that were

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00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:50,700
present it was a multiple witness case

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00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:52,410
that one of the eeriest

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00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,880
aspects was the fact that it was

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00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:55,920
completely silent which is of course

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00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,690
another characteristic or hallmark of

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00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:00,240
these cases that we hear today so as I

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00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:02,310
systematically started outlining and if

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00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,750
you had a chance to review a lot of the

1421
00:59:09,110 --> 00:59:06,000
cases in the book there's a wealth of

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00:59:11,210 --> 00:59:09,120
case material and there seems to be as I

1423
00:59:13,940 --> 00:59:11,220
like to say a hell of a lot of smoke so

1424
00:59:15,860 --> 00:59:13,950
where there's smoke there's fire so I

1425
00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:15,870
don't think we can summarily dismiss

1426
00:59:20,090 --> 00:59:17,670
these accounts and I don't think we can

1427
00:59:22,220 --> 00:59:20,100
summarily attribute these to military

1428
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:22,230
aircraft now once again there is that

1429
00:59:27,470 --> 00:59:24,660
claim that you've heard that these

1430
00:59:30,860 --> 00:59:27,480
things only originated in the 1980s

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00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:30,870
which of course we know doesn't seem to

1432
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:32,940
be the case that was one of the

1433
00:59:36,110 --> 00:59:34,260
arguments that was being made is that

1434
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:36,120
many of the people were saying well

1435
00:59:40,940 --> 00:59:38,730
since these didn't appear till the 1980s

1436
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:40,950
that these must be military aircraft you

1437
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:42,960
say no some for the sixties from the

1438
00:59:46,940 --> 00:59:44,250
early sixties actually if I remember

1439
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:46,950
from the book late 1800s are the

1440
00:59:50,750 --> 00:59:48,510
earliest accounts that I found and that

1441
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:50,760
was actually attributed to Don Quijote

1442
00:59:56,750 --> 00:59:53,730
the flying saucers are real he describes

1443
00:59:59,740 --> 00:59:56,760
a number or a wave of sightings that

1444
01:00:02,660 --> 00:59:59,750
occurred all the way back into the 8th

1445
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:02,670
1890 is one of the earliest accounts and

1446
01:00:06,980 --> 01:00:04,710
he described that over the Dutch East

1447
01:00:09,350 --> 01:00:06,990
Indies that several large aerial bodies

1448
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:09,360
were sighted he said that the accounts

1449
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:10,740
were describing them roughly as

1450
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:12,960
triangular about 100 feet on the base

1451
01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:15,930
and 200 feet on the sides and so we have

1452
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:17,790
reports early reports of triangular

1453
01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:20,400
objects in the sky but not just

1454
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,470
triangular objects but of appreciable

1455
01:00:27,890 --> 01:00:25,200
size those size estimates are of course

1456
01:00:29,330 --> 01:00:27,900
similar to later reports we received in

1457
01:00:30,620 --> 01:00:29,340
many states that you know five years

1458
01:00:33,050 --> 01:00:30,630
after that there was a wave of sightings

1459
01:00:35,310 --> 01:00:33,060
in England and Scotland describing those

1460
01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:35,320
large triangular objects similar

1461
01:00:39,150 --> 01:00:36,430
to those that seen in the Dutch East

1462
01:00:41,130 --> 01:00:39,160
Indies and then there's a 1936 case

1463
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:41,140
which Peter Davenport at the national

1464
01:00:45,420 --> 01:00:43,090
UFO Reporting Center had received a

1465
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:45,430
report from years ago from a gentleman

1466
01:00:51,300 --> 01:00:48,400
now deceased where in 1936 he claimed to

1467
01:00:53,490 --> 01:00:51,310
have seen a UFO which at that time he

1468
01:00:55,470 --> 01:00:53,500
described as in the shape of a flat iron

1469
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:55,480
he said it was wider at the back and

1470
01:00:59,790 --> 01:00:57,760
pointed at the front he described the

1471
01:01:02,220 --> 01:00:59,800
way that the object moved very similar

1472
01:01:04,410 --> 01:01:02,230
to the modern-day contemporary

1473
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:04,420
descriptions well is there a way to

1474
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:06,370
differentiate especially at night

1475
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:09,910
between triangular array of lights and a

1476
01:01:14,430 --> 01:01:12,310
solid craft because you know I've

1477
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:14,440
recalled from my own investigative work

1478
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:16,810
that occasionally you'll get sightings

1479
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,210
of multiple craft that seem to be in a

1480
01:01:23,730 --> 01:01:21,520
triangular formation and that is

1481
01:01:26,010 --> 01:01:23,740
misconstrued by the witness as being a

1482
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:26,020
large triangular UFO so anyway we could

1483
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:27,850
differentiate between those two I I

1484
01:01:32,190 --> 01:01:30,730
don't really think we can well I'm glad

1485
01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:32,200
you brought that up Chris because that's

1486
01:01:36,510 --> 01:01:34,150
one thing I do mention in the book is

1487
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:36,520
that as you can appreciate going through

1488
01:01:41,310 --> 01:01:39,250
the wealth of case material I found a

1489
01:01:43,860 --> 01:01:41,320
number of reports where people described

1490
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,870
three points of light to your point just

1491
01:01:48,030 --> 01:01:45,520
that perhaps they were three independent

1492
01:01:50,370 --> 01:01:48,040
points of light the cases I tried to

1493
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:50,380
focus on in the book and admittedly you

1494
01:01:54,660 --> 01:01:52,540
know the book is a distillation of a

1495
01:01:56,490 --> 01:01:54,670
much larger subset of reports that I was

1496
01:01:59,520 --> 01:01:56,500
pulling from but some of the ones I

1497
01:02:02,520 --> 01:01:59,530
tried to avoid incorporating into the

1498
01:02:04,170 --> 01:02:02,530
work were reports of just that three

1499
01:02:07,170 --> 01:02:04,180
points of light and that's how they

1500
01:02:09,150 --> 01:02:07,180
described them or other vague reports

1501
01:02:10,350 --> 01:02:09,160
where it sounds like based on the

1502
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,360
description it might have been a high

1503
01:02:14,010 --> 01:02:12,160
altitude balloon you know where they

1504
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:14,020
describe is like an inverted pyramid it

1505
01:02:18,510 --> 01:02:15,970
seems to my transparent and reflected

1506
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:18,520
sunlight well that could very very well

1507
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:21,430
possibly be a high altitude atmospheric

1508
01:02:25,020 --> 01:02:23,440
balloon which take on an unusual

1509
01:02:26,820 --> 01:02:25,030
appearance there was one over Latvia

1510
01:02:28,740 --> 01:02:26,830
that was actually investigated by the

1511
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:28,750
Russian military that I think was a

1512
01:02:32,910 --> 01:02:31,030
high-altitude balloon but to your point

1513
01:02:36,660 --> 01:02:32,920
the ones I tried to focus on were a

1514
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:36,670
multiple witness cases and be cases

1515
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:40,240
where the witnesses described as the UFO

1516
01:02:44,370 --> 01:02:42,850
moved overhead we saw the points of

1517
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:44,380
light and by the way some of these

1518
01:02:48,450 --> 01:02:46,810
didn't describe any lights but as the

1519
01:02:51,030 --> 01:02:48,460
object moved overhead

1520
01:02:53,310 --> 01:02:51,040
we could see a dark triangular shape

1521
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:53,320
against a lighter background in this

1522
01:02:58,890 --> 01:02:56,410
night sky and we could actually see the

1523
01:03:01,020 --> 01:02:58,900
object blocking out the stars as a node

1524
01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:01,030
overhead now that I think to your point

1525
01:03:05,550 --> 01:03:04,150
is a little bit more to work with or a

1526
01:03:07,020 --> 01:03:05,560
little bit more substantial in the way

1527
01:03:10,380 --> 01:03:07,030
of reports than just to your point

1528
01:03:13,410 --> 01:03:10,390
points of light in the sky well getting

1529
01:03:16,620 --> 01:03:13,420
substantial we're talking about a nuts

1530
01:03:18,410 --> 01:03:16,630
and bolts phenomenon here because of

1531
01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:18,420
something that you can see as a

1532
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:21,400
structured craft which is so very

1533
01:03:25,470 --> 01:03:23,410
different from any of the UFO cases and

1534
01:03:26,910 --> 01:03:25,480
that's why it makes it were compelling

1535
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:26,920
and we've got a lot more compelling

1536
01:03:33,390 --> 01:03:30,010
stuff to talk about the book triangular

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01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:33,400
UFOs david Marlar is the author with

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contributions from a bunch of people

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will mention later including George

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Wingfield and material from Richard Owen

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etc more to come with Gene and Kris

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and don't forget to visit our famous

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the podcast.com so if you're tuning in

1642
01:08:16,569 --> 01:08:14,269
late our question is why why had you

1643
01:08:19,329 --> 01:08:16,579
tuned in late to the para cast but the

1644
01:08:21,339 --> 01:08:19,339
book is called triangular UFOs an

1645
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:21,349
estimate of the situation from david

1646
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:23,359
Marlar with the preface from john

1647
01:08:30,189 --> 01:08:26,239
alexander and contributions from Richard

1648
01:08:32,919 --> 01:08:30,199
Dolan mark wrote agar Sam Moran toge or

1649
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,929
JH Wingfield Omar Fowler just very

1650
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:34,400
quickly before we get back to our

1651
01:08:39,339 --> 01:08:36,650
discussion the various contributors in

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01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:39,349
what respect did they add to the book in

1653
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:41,359
answering that let me also continue to

1654
01:08:44,649 --> 01:08:43,130
answer your earlier question as far as

1655
01:08:46,990 --> 01:08:44,659
what prompted me to write the book

1656
01:08:48,759 --> 01:08:47,000
in 2012 I attended the Ozark UFO

1657
01:08:51,009 --> 01:08:48,769
conference I had spoken there many times

1658
01:08:53,049 --> 01:08:51,019
in the past but this particular year

1659
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:53,059
when I presented my material I was

1660
01:08:57,309 --> 01:08:55,489
really amazed at the response on the

1661
01:08:59,700 --> 01:08:57,319
part of the audience I had more people

1662
01:09:02,049 --> 01:08:59,710
expressing interest in the research

1663
01:09:05,019 --> 01:09:02,059
specifically you know regarding these

1664
01:09:07,870 --> 01:09:05,029
triangular UFOs one person that

1665
01:09:10,569 --> 01:09:07,880
expressed interest who I had met just

1666
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:10,579
the day before very briefly was Colonel

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01:09:15,849 --> 01:09:13,730
John Alexander and as I was stepping off

1668
01:09:17,559 --> 01:09:15,859
the stage I was met with a number of

1669
01:09:19,169 --> 01:09:17,569
audience members that either had cases

1670
01:09:21,970 --> 01:09:19,179
they wanted to share her questions and

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01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:21,980
John worked his way across the room and

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01:09:25,509 --> 01:09:24,170
came over and shook my hand and just

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01:09:26,829 --> 01:09:25,519
that's one of the damned finest

1674
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:26,839
presentations I've seen at one of these

1675
01:09:31,390 --> 01:09:29,329
UFO conferences in a long time and so he

1676
01:09:34,029 --> 01:09:31,400
was very interested in the research that

1677
01:09:35,919 --> 01:09:34,039
I was engaged in this led to subsequent

1678
01:09:37,629 --> 01:09:35,929
emails and phone calls and I shared a

1679
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:37,639
lot of additional case material with him

1680
01:09:41,799 --> 01:09:39,679
in the process of coming home from that

1681
01:09:43,569 --> 01:09:41,809
conference I decided that perhaps I

1682
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:43,579
should start documenting this I actually

1683
01:09:47,049 --> 01:09:45,409
had two people asked me can I buy a copy

1684
01:09:49,329 --> 01:09:47,059
of your book at which point I was in

1685
01:09:51,579 --> 01:09:49,339
headed somewhat in an embarrassed way

1686
01:09:52,689 --> 01:09:51,589
say well I don't have a book and they

1687
01:09:54,910 --> 01:09:52,699
told me well you need to write a book

1688
01:09:56,350 --> 01:09:54,920
you have really good information that in

1689
01:09:57,939 --> 01:09:56,360
conjunction with John Alexander's

1690
01:09:59,290 --> 01:09:57,949
interest in the research I thought you

1691
01:10:01,959 --> 01:09:59,300
know that was what really prompted me to

1692
01:10:04,060 --> 01:10:01,969
start the writing process in so doing

1693
01:10:05,979 --> 01:10:04,070
that I wanted to enlist the aid or the

1694
01:10:08,020 --> 01:10:05,989
assistance of others that had encouraged

1695
01:10:10,779 --> 01:10:08,030
me in my early days such as George

1696
01:10:13,660 --> 01:10:10,789
Wingfield a dear friend of mine and Omar

1697
01:10:15,630 --> 01:10:13,670
Fowler over in the UK who did some of

1698
01:10:18,150 --> 01:10:15,640
the early triangular research back

1699
01:10:20,220 --> 01:10:18,160
80s and 90s it was contributions by

1700
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:20,230
those that assisted me those that that

1701
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:21,730
helped me and encouraged me over the

1702
01:10:25,290 --> 01:10:23,290
years Chris I'm sure you would agree

1703
01:10:26,970 --> 01:10:25,300
it's just like you know we wrote the

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01:10:28,590 --> 01:10:26,980
book but it's certainly not without the

1705
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:28,600
help of those that assisted in that

1706
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:30,250
whole process oh yeah

1707
01:10:33,810 --> 01:10:31,690
we all stand on the shoulders of giants

1708
01:10:34,770 --> 01:10:33,820
at least that's what I say constantly

1709
01:10:37,020 --> 01:10:34,780
about my house

1710
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:37,030
absolutely so and that's why I wanted to

1711
01:10:41,250 --> 01:10:38,650
incorporate towards the end of the book

1712
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:41,260
other researchers perspectives or

1713
01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:43,810
insights because David Marlar does not

1714
01:10:47,130 --> 01:10:45,550
have the answer to the UFO phenomenon

1715
01:10:49,140 --> 01:10:47,140
and I would never be that arrogant to

1716
01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:49,150
ever make a statement like that and I

1717
01:10:53,340 --> 01:10:51,070
believe that we need to have dialogue

1718
01:10:55,290 --> 01:10:53,350
and I also believe in conjunction with

1719
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:55,300
that we can disagree without being

1720
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:01,120
disagreeable yes in a perfect world but

1721
01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:10,570
maybe not in the UFO field about that

1722
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:12,310
statement because now people will be

1723
01:11:16,260 --> 01:11:13,840
saying because we're on the Genesis

1724
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:16,270
communications network the home of Alex

1725
01:11:21,330 --> 01:11:18,910
Jones that David Marlar is saying

1726
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:21,340
something nice about communism we want

1727
01:11:29,670 --> 01:11:25,600
to make sure we understand communism in

1728
01:11:31,740 --> 01:11:29,680
theory big difference well I must say

1729
01:11:33,570 --> 01:11:31,750
one of the cases that I've always been

1730
01:11:36,270 --> 01:11:33,580
very intrigued by of course are the

1731
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:36,280
Phoenix lights case having been actually

1732
01:11:41,370 --> 01:11:38,370
working down in Casa Grande Arizona

1733
01:11:44,370 --> 01:11:41,380
about a third of the way from Phoenix to

1734
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:44,380
Tucson on i-10 staying in a motel room

1735
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:47,410
watching the NCAA basketball finals that

1736
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:49,120
night Varian whooping and hollering

1737
01:11:52,140 --> 01:11:50,530
outside and what isn't thinking wow

1738
01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:52,150
somebody must have a TV in the parking

1739
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:54,790
lot and then to see this guy come on

1740
01:11:59,520 --> 01:11:57,040
break into the game and say I'm standing

1741
01:12:01,050 --> 01:11:59,530
here and there's a huge UFO behind me

1742
01:12:02,910 --> 01:12:01,060
and I'm thinking what's going on so I

1743
01:12:04,140 --> 01:12:02,920
run outside and all these people are

1744
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:04,150
looking milling around saying oh you

1745
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:07,840
missed it it just flew over and I'm like

1746
01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:10,450
oh man what about the Phoenix lights I

1747
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:12,430
mean you know you've heard some pretty

1748
01:12:17,790 --> 01:12:15,010
interesting skeptical analysis of the

1749
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:17,800
event recently we had stories of

1750
01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:19,930
skeptics coming forward with with this

1751
01:12:25,380 --> 01:12:22,420
flight of Air Force planes that wasn't

1752
01:12:27,090 --> 01:12:25,390
screwed as the Phoenix lights I've done

1753
01:12:28,850 --> 01:12:27,100
a bit of looking into this particular

1754
01:12:31,220 --> 01:12:28,860
case obviously having

1755
01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:31,230
most then a witness to it where do you

1756
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:33,030
come down on this particular case it's

1757
01:12:36,140 --> 01:12:34,560
it's quite celebrated that in

1758
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:36,150
Stephenville of course yes

1759
01:12:39,470 --> 01:12:37,650
but where do you come down on that you

1760
01:12:42,979 --> 01:12:39,480
had some interesting observations in the

1761
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:42,989
book yeah I believe that there was a an

1762
01:12:48,260 --> 01:12:45,420
unidentified flying object that was

1763
01:12:50,899 --> 01:12:48,270
traversing the state of Arizona I don't

1764
01:12:52,370 --> 01:12:50,909
believe that it was 18 warthogs dropping

1765
01:12:55,129 --> 01:12:52,380
flares over the Barry Goldwater Test

1766
01:12:57,140 --> 01:12:55,139
range now that being said and I know

1767
01:12:59,450 --> 01:12:57,150
this is a point of consternation for a

1768
01:13:01,100 --> 01:12:59,460
lot of people the famous videos that

1769
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,110
have been shot of the lights over

1770
01:13:06,140 --> 01:13:04,080
Phoenix in my estimation are just that

1771
01:13:08,570 --> 01:13:06,150
flares being dropped from a-10 warthogs

1772
01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:08,580
over the Barry Goldwater Test range but

1773
01:13:12,129 --> 01:13:10,260
the thing that I think is important is

1774
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:12,139
that you know 45 minutes to an hour

1775
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,489
after the initial wave of sightings

1776
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:16,800
those flares were dropped over the Barry

1777
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:18,840
Goldwater Test range so we are talking

1778
01:13:24,020 --> 01:13:21,330
two different incidents I have a hard

1779
01:13:26,450 --> 01:13:24,030
time dismissing all of the eyewitness

1780
01:13:28,220 --> 01:13:26,460
testimony all the way down the state of

1781
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:28,230
Arizona where people were describing

1782
01:13:31,939 --> 01:13:30,090
this and to the point we were discussing

1783
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:31,949
earlier with regard to just points of

1784
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:32,880
light in the sky

1785
01:13:38,629 --> 01:13:35,520
many of the eyewitnesses in the greater

1786
01:13:41,060 --> 01:13:38,639
Phoenix area described lights on the

1787
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:41,070
craft on this object but they were

1788
01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:43,770
recessed so in order for these lights to

1789
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:45,480
appear to be recessed there they're

1790
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:47,280
seeing some type of superstructure

1791
01:13:53,149 --> 01:13:50,250
either around or attached to all of

1792
01:13:54,890 --> 01:13:53,159
these lights again I just don't think we

1793
01:13:56,629 --> 01:13:54,900
consumed early dismiss all of this

1794
01:13:58,520 --> 01:13:56,639
eyewitness testimony I think something

1795
01:14:01,129 --> 01:13:58,530
flew over the area now what it was I

1796
01:14:03,260 --> 01:14:01,139
don't know but there has been so much I

1797
01:14:05,629 --> 01:14:03,270
think in the way of muddying of the

1798
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:05,639
water with these famous videos because

1799
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:07,500
people always tend to gravitate towards

1800
01:14:11,899 --> 01:14:09,900
videos and photographs and in my

1801
01:14:13,580 --> 01:14:11,909
estimation and you know Chris I'd be

1802
01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:13,590
interested on your take as well when you

1803
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:16,380
look at that famous video of the Phoenix

1804
01:14:20,959 --> 01:14:18,570
lights if you've ever seen military

1805
01:14:22,939 --> 01:14:20,969
aircraft just dispersing flares that's

1806
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:22,949
exactly what it looks like you see this

1807
01:14:28,010 --> 01:14:25,170
series of lights appearing one after the

1808
01:14:29,930 --> 01:14:28,020
other with equal spacing between their

1809
01:14:31,970 --> 01:14:29,940
deployment I absolutely agree I think

1810
01:14:34,850 --> 01:14:31,980
that that was probably a red herring

1811
01:14:36,979 --> 01:14:34,860
they quickly dispatched red herring to

1812
01:14:39,050 --> 01:14:36,989
try to take the focus off the initial

1813
01:14:40,700 --> 01:14:39,060
event which as you mentioned occurred

1814
01:14:42,860 --> 01:14:40,710
about 40 45 minutes prior to

1815
01:14:44,750 --> 01:14:42,870
that we do have this this whole flight

1816
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:44,760
line that's been established from all

1817
01:14:48,440 --> 01:14:46,770
the way up around Henderson Nevada going

1818
01:14:51,530 --> 01:14:48,450
all the way down the Prescott Valley

1819
01:14:54,170 --> 01:14:51,540
hitting 17 and going down and then

1820
01:14:55,729 --> 01:14:54,180
following I 10 down to Tucson where then

1821
01:14:57,950 --> 01:14:55,739
it appears to have made I think a turn

1822
01:15:00,050 --> 01:14:57,960
to the west if I remember at least there

1823
01:15:02,030 --> 01:15:00,060
were witnesses all along that particular

1824
01:15:03,530 --> 01:15:02,040
flight path much of the witness

1825
01:15:06,170 --> 01:15:03,540
testimony to my knowledge does not

1826
01:15:08,750 --> 01:15:06,180
conform to the actual shape that you see

1827
01:15:11,180 --> 01:15:08,760
in the famous footage which to me were

1828
01:15:12,860 --> 01:15:11,190
unusual looking flare they did I think

1829
01:15:14,780 --> 01:15:12,870
hang there a little longer than your

1830
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,790
average flare would there's some

1831
01:15:18,620 --> 01:15:16,560
interesting things we can talk about in

1832
01:15:21,530 --> 01:15:18,630
terms of the technology of those flares

1833
01:15:22,610 --> 01:15:21,540
but I agree absolutely that that was not

1834
01:15:24,380 --> 01:15:22,620
only flares but I think they were

1835
01:15:26,650 --> 01:15:24,390
hastily dispatched up there to try to

1836
01:15:29,090 --> 01:15:26,660
take the focus off the initial event

1837
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:29,100
because I just did a recent lecture here

1838
01:15:33,050 --> 01:15:31,050
in Albuquerque for the local MUFON group

1839
01:15:34,940 --> 01:15:33,060
we touched on that it's reassuring to

1840
01:15:37,550 --> 01:15:34,950
hear your take on that as well because I

1841
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:37,560
tend to agree that it was almost as

1842
01:15:40,820 --> 01:15:39,330
though and again I must preface this by

1843
01:15:42,740 --> 01:15:40,830
saying and sheer speculation on my part

1844
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:42,750
it was almost like they wanted to

1845
01:15:47,300 --> 01:15:45,120
establish plausible deniability get some

1846
01:15:48,860 --> 01:15:47,310
a-10s up there dispatch some flares that

1847
01:15:50,780 --> 01:15:48,870
way we can attribute any of these

1848
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:50,790
sightings to that and dismiss this whole

1849
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:52,770
thing and try to diminish the level of

1850
01:15:56,810 --> 01:15:54,570
interest what's interesting though I

1851
01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:56,820
draw parallels to this this other wave

1852
01:16:01,700 --> 01:15:58,530
of sightings namely the Hudson Valley

1853
01:16:03,470 --> 01:16:01,710
wave from 83 to 86 because it's

1854
01:16:05,450 --> 01:16:03,480
interesting in the sense that they're

1855
01:16:08,180 --> 01:16:05,460
describing these flying wings or Chevron

1856
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:08,190
shaped UFOs but also what's interesting

1857
01:16:13,850 --> 01:16:10,890
is the fact that the Hudson Valley wave

1858
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:13,860
had these UFO sighted and then shortly

1859
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:15,930
thereafter we had reports of Cessna

1860
01:16:21,170 --> 01:16:18,210
planes going up with these unusual

1861
01:16:23,390 --> 01:16:21,180
lighting arrays that respect David was

1862
01:16:25,340 --> 01:16:23,400
our break here David Marla joining us

1863
01:16:27,170 --> 01:16:25,350
we're talking about those Hudson Valley

1864
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:27,180
UFO sightings and we're coming with

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1970
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:09,079
looking at the Hudson Valley case I

1971
01:21:15,459 --> 01:21:11,090
guess the only red flag wouldn't would

1972
01:21:17,799 --> 01:21:15,469
consider here is the problem with Phil

1973
01:21:20,410 --> 01:21:17,809
and Brock no and his credentials where

1974
01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:20,420
he was later found to be a fraud

1975
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:23,329
basically yeah that was unfortunately

1976
01:21:27,069 --> 01:21:25,760
very sad to find that out and I've had

1977
01:21:28,899 --> 01:21:27,079
this discussion with some of the other

1978
01:21:30,609 --> 01:21:28,909
researchers as well where you know now

1979
01:21:32,830 --> 01:21:30,619
in retrospect we're trying to tease out

1980
01:21:34,750 --> 01:21:32,840
this information but I would like to

1981
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:34,760
emphasize that at least in respect to my

1982
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:38,000
book I didn't draw strictly from you

1983
01:21:41,410 --> 01:21:39,679
know the book night siege which was

1984
01:21:44,740 --> 01:21:41,420
co-authored by Philip and Bragg no as

1985
01:21:46,569 --> 01:21:44,750
well as Bob Pratt and dr. Hynek but I

1986
01:21:49,540 --> 01:21:46,579
did actually go to the original source

1987
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:49,550
materials I actually do have a wealth of

1988
01:21:54,910 --> 01:21:52,639
case material namely the the original

1989
01:21:58,330 --> 01:21:54,920
local newspaper articles from that time

1990
01:22:00,910 --> 01:21:58,340
so to that point and it's a very valid

1991
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:00,920
point to bring up that I did go to the

1992
01:22:05,109 --> 01:22:03,170
original newspapers at the time to try

1993
01:22:07,779 --> 01:22:05,119
to ascertain what was being reported and

1994
01:22:11,180 --> 01:22:07,789
to also verify what was being documented

1995
01:22:13,670 --> 01:22:11,190
in night siege again we have we have a

1996
01:22:15,770 --> 01:22:13,680
of reports that we're literally

1997
01:22:18,170 --> 01:22:15,780
witnessed by hundreds if not thousands

1998
01:22:20,540 --> 01:22:18,180
of people so it's like you just have

1999
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:20,550
some isolated redneck Yahoo's sitting

2000
01:22:25,700 --> 01:22:23,520
out in the trailer park somewhere these

2001
01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:25,710
these are you know Westchester County

2002
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:27,780
for instance is one of the highest per

2003
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:28,410
capita

2004
01:22:32,450 --> 01:22:30,930
I think counties in the country there's

2005
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:32,460
a lot of professionals there doctors

2006
01:22:37,610 --> 01:22:35,310
lawyers scientists the quality of

2007
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:37,620
witnesses for the Hudson Valley cases I

2008
01:22:45,260 --> 01:22:40,400
think is higher than your average

2009
01:22:47,060 --> 01:22:45,270
sighting wave to kind of you know paint

2010
01:22:49,220 --> 01:22:47,070
the landscape as far as yeah what that

2011
01:22:50,930 --> 01:22:49,230
area consists of the the caliber of

2012
01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:50,940
people that live there I completely

2013
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:53,580
agree and again you know we look at the

2014
01:22:58,220 --> 01:22:55,770
Hudson Valley wave and you look at the

2015
01:22:59,780 --> 01:22:58,230
the description of the UFOs you look at

2016
01:23:02,390 --> 01:22:59,790
some of the flight characteristics and

2017
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:02,400
it seems to fit an overall pattern of

2018
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:05,489
these triangular UFOs you look at some

2019
01:23:10,580 --> 01:23:07,560
of those reports and again we're talking

2020
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:10,590
you know upstate New York in the the

2021
01:23:14,930 --> 01:23:13,050
early mid 80s and then you can compare

2022
01:23:17,570 --> 01:23:14,940
that to a wave of sightings that I

2023
01:23:20,930 --> 01:23:17,580
documented in my book going back to 1957

2024
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:20,940
over Denmark and this was written up in

2025
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:23,010
the Danish newspaper BT of the time and

2026
01:23:28,130 --> 01:23:24,570
I even found a Reuters news article from

2027
01:23:29,780 --> 01:23:28,140
April 1958 that described and this is I

2028
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:29,790
always emphasize this when I do my

2029
01:23:35,540 --> 01:23:32,570
presentations their words not mine

2030
01:23:37,459 --> 01:23:35,550
triangular spaceships is how it was

2031
01:23:40,250 --> 01:23:37,469
written up in the Reuters news article

2032
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:40,260
and then the Danish newspaper BT and

2033
01:23:46,340 --> 01:23:42,480
they described these large low-flying

2034
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:46,350
dark triangular UFOs and one of the

2035
01:23:51,020 --> 01:23:48,290
accounts in the Reuters news article

2036
01:23:53,330 --> 01:23:51,030
discusses the fact that these other

2037
01:23:56,810 --> 01:23:53,340
smaller objects were seen to fly out of

2038
01:23:58,610 --> 01:23:56,820
the larger triangular object the Reuters

2039
01:24:00,380 --> 01:23:58,620
news team that went out to interview the

2040
01:24:02,110 --> 01:24:00,390
primary witness in this particular case

2041
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:02,120
it was over the village of grow here

2042
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:05,040
they found 20 other witnesses in the

2043
01:24:10,490 --> 01:24:06,449
village that corroborated the woman's

2044
01:24:14,150 --> 01:24:10,500
testimony and in the Danish newspaper BT

2045
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:14,160
it states that American and Danish

2046
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:16,890
officials are looking into the case now

2047
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:19,410
and have the authorities ever come up

2048
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:21,420
with an official explanation for this

2049
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:22,770
because you know when you have lights in

2050
01:24:26,010 --> 01:24:23,890
the sky

2051
01:24:29,970 --> 01:24:26,020
you know you can dismisses anything you

2052
01:24:32,610 --> 01:24:29,980
know flares stars planets meteorites or

2053
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:32,620
whatever when you have something that

2054
01:24:37,170 --> 01:24:34,570
looks like a structured craft what's

2055
01:24:38,820 --> 01:24:37,180
their excuse well I mean you know quite

2056
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:38,830
often they'll refer to these private

2057
01:24:44,250 --> 01:24:40,690
pilots as I mentioned in the Hudson

2058
01:24:46,380 --> 01:24:44,260
Valley case flares or of course another

2059
01:24:48,930 --> 01:24:46,390
one as you mentioned but there is no

2060
01:24:51,690 --> 01:24:48,940
official explanation that covers all of

2061
01:24:54,450 --> 01:24:51,700
these triangular UFO reports admittedly

2062
01:24:56,220 --> 01:24:54,460
as we know our military is very

2063
01:24:58,620 --> 01:24:56,230
tight-lipped when it comes to the UFO

2064
01:25:00,960 --> 01:24:58,630
subject but the one thing that's

2065
01:25:03,450 --> 01:25:00,970
fascinating is not so much with

2066
01:25:06,090 --> 01:25:03,460
government or military officials are

2067
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:06,100
saying what really strikes me as odd and

2068
01:25:10,020 --> 01:25:07,570
something I always like to bring up in

2069
01:25:11,850 --> 01:25:10,030
these discussions the fact that when you

2070
01:25:14,190 --> 01:25:11,860
go on the internet and you type in

2071
01:25:16,620 --> 01:25:14,200
triangular UFO obviously you're gonna

2072
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:16,630
find a wealth of material and of course

2073
01:25:21,930 --> 01:25:20,050
you know spurious YouTube videos but

2074
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:21,940
what's interesting is the fact that you

2075
01:25:28,140 --> 01:25:25,050
always find reference to this tr-3b

2076
01:25:29,460 --> 01:25:28,150
aircraft and to me this is something

2077
01:25:32,730 --> 01:25:29,470
that needs to be addressed head-on

2078
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:32,740
because so many people and earlier you

2079
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:35,410
were asking about comments and reviews

2080
01:25:40,020 --> 01:25:37,930
of the book a lot of people are saying

2081
01:25:42,990 --> 01:25:40,030
oh triangular UFOs those are the tr-3b

2082
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:43,000
aircraft and people will say well that

2083
01:25:46,770 --> 01:25:44,770
was developed by McDonnell Douglas or

2084
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:46,780
Boeing or well we know how that craft

2085
01:25:50,630 --> 01:25:48,850
operates we know where it was tested we

2086
01:25:53,490 --> 01:25:50,640
know insiders that worked on the program

2087
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:53,500
but I have to say we have no evidence to

2088
01:25:59,280 --> 01:25:57,250
support any of those claims but people

2089
01:26:02,250 --> 01:25:59,290
are stating matter-of-factly oh that's

2090
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:02,260
just the tr-3b well where is your

2091
01:26:06,750 --> 01:26:05,290
evidence for that I it's it's like it's

2092
01:26:10,020 --> 01:26:06,760
almost trying it's like trying to

2093
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:10,030
validate the the reliability of a Ouija

2094
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:11,770
board with a crystal ball that's just

2095
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:14,290
you're taking one mysterious thing and

2096
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:15,850
trying to explain it with another

2097
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:18,310
mysterious thing oh that was excellent I

2098
01:26:22,740 --> 01:26:19,600
got to remember that one I'm gonna steal

2099
01:26:24,810 --> 01:26:22,750
that one for it from well let's get real

2100
01:26:26,850 --> 01:26:24,820
some of these triangle sightings are

2101
01:26:30,110 --> 01:26:26,860
from a half a mile to a mile in length

2102
01:26:33,090 --> 01:26:30,120
and I'm sorry we don't have powered

2103
01:26:36,660 --> 01:26:33,100
black-budget aircraft like the flying

2104
01:26:37,290 --> 01:26:36,670
man oh that right that come anywhere

2105
01:26:39,390 --> 01:26:37,300
near

2106
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:39,400
that size now if you're talking about

2107
01:26:44,700 --> 01:26:40,480
lighter than air

2108
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:44,710
platforms that's a completely different

2109
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:51,730
subject but the tr-3b it's ludicrous

2110
01:26:57,630 --> 01:26:55,050
it's until we can substantiate these

2111
01:26:59,610 --> 01:26:57,640
with official documentation I must

2112
01:27:01,770 --> 01:26:59,620
emphasize an official documentation not

2113
01:27:02,940 --> 01:27:01,780
not the one or two whistleblowers that

2114
01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:02,950
have come forward saying that they

2115
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:05,110
worked on these classified projects and

2116
01:27:11,130 --> 01:27:07,570
in the course of writing the book I

2117
01:27:13,370 --> 01:27:11,140
interviewed british aerospace engineers

2118
01:27:16,410 --> 01:27:13,380
i interviewed people from Boeing

2119
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:16,420
McDonnell Douglas and every single one

2120
01:27:20,730 --> 01:27:18,610
of them and no surprise to the educated

2121
01:27:23,490 --> 01:27:20,740
listeners out there every single one of

2122
01:27:26,730 --> 01:27:23,500
them said if this person or persons

2123
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:26,740
worked on these classified projects

2124
01:27:31,650 --> 01:27:29,050
involving the so called purported tr-3b

2125
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:31,660
and they're on the internet and they're

2126
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:33,130
on the lecture circuit and they're on

2127
01:27:37,620 --> 01:27:35,290
documentaries talking about said

2128
01:27:39,180 --> 01:27:37,630
classified projects they are not only

2129
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:39,190
going to be fired they're going to be

2130
01:27:44,610 --> 01:27:41,410
fined imprisoned and their pensions

2131
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:44,620
revoked there's a reason that we have

2132
01:27:49,740 --> 01:27:47,890
these gentlemen sign secrecy oaths and

2133
01:27:52,260 --> 01:27:49,750
signed affidavits that they will not

2134
01:27:54,810 --> 01:27:52,270
disclose this information and the idea

2135
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:54,820
that these people worked on these

2136
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:57,010
classified projects and are out there

2137
01:28:00,480 --> 01:27:58,480
not only describing the fact they worked

2138
01:28:02,250 --> 01:28:00,490
on them but then going into detail

2139
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:02,260
describing the physics behind how these

2140
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:05,440
craft operate which they've done that

2141
01:28:08,910 --> 01:28:06,850
they're sitting out there with impunity

2142
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:08,920
and that no action has been taken

2143
01:28:13,470 --> 01:28:11,170
against them flies in the face of logic

2144
01:28:15,660 --> 01:28:13,480
as far as I'm concerned you know yeah

2145
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:15,670
and that's not to say that you know

2146
01:28:24,180 --> 01:28:20,050
someone driving along the you know maybe

2147
01:28:27,420 --> 01:28:24,190
between Rachel and and Eli or something

2148
01:28:29,970 --> 01:28:27,430
Nevada back in the early 80s or late 70s

2149
01:28:31,980 --> 01:28:29,980
at dusk and having a you know a b-2

2150
01:28:34,710 --> 01:28:31,990
bomber fly over or stealth fighter fly

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01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:34,720
over obviously before that was publicly

2152
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:36,970
acknowledged that those product projects

2153
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:38,890
and those those aerial platforms they

2154
01:28:43,770 --> 01:28:41,440
they saw a UFO absolutely Chris and in

2155
01:28:45,420 --> 01:28:43,780
fact a very specific comment that was

2156
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:45,430
made to me which which I have in the

2157
01:28:50,250 --> 01:28:48,130
book one of the aerospace engineers I

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01:28:50,740 --> 01:28:50,260
interviewed is the late dr. Paul's this

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01:28:53,620 --> 01:28:50,750
who

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in st. Louis and he actually taught at

2161
01:28:58,240 --> 01:28:55,610
Parque Sarah College part of st. Louis

2162
01:29:02,410 --> 01:28:58,250
University he was the head of their era

2163
01:29:05,050 --> 01:29:02,420
CV Asian section and he was kind of the

2164
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:05,060
local aviation expert when this january

2165
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:08,690
5th 2010 occurred but he's he's been

2166
01:29:12,820 --> 01:29:10,490
involved in classified projects for 30

2167
01:29:14,620 --> 01:29:12,830
35 years and like i said he passed away

2168
01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:14,630
shortly after my book was published but

2169
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:17,450
he made an interesting comment i asked

2170
01:29:22,270 --> 01:29:19,250
him about the january 5th case with the

2171
01:29:24,340 --> 01:29:22,280
passage of 1213 years did he believe

2172
01:29:26,140 --> 01:29:24,350
that that was something that we created

2173
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:26,150
in other words you know something from

2174
01:29:30,370 --> 01:29:29,210
the DoD or it does he believe that that

2175
01:29:32,980 --> 01:29:30,380
might have been someone else's

2176
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:32,990
technology and his his answer was very

2177
01:29:37,180 --> 01:29:34,250
interesting and it touches on what your

2178
01:29:39,460 --> 01:29:37,190
what your bringing up he said Dave if it

2179
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:39,470
was just a triangular object or

2180
01:29:43,930 --> 01:29:42,080
triangular aircraft I would think it

2181
01:29:45,630 --> 01:29:43,940
might be something similar to what can

2182
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:45,640
be seen around Edwards Air Force Base

2183
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:47,600
which I thought was an interesting

2184
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:50,690
statement but he said the fact that the

2185
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:52,970
maneuverability and the high rates of

2186
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:54,800
acceleration from a dead stop as

2187
01:29:59,260 --> 01:29:56,810
reported by these police officers I

2188
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:59,270
don't believe that it's any of our

2189
01:30:03,100 --> 01:30:01,520
technology he said I believe it is

2190
01:30:05,290 --> 01:30:03,110
someone else's technology that we're

2191
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:05,300
looking at so obviously it's something

2192
01:30:10,540 --> 01:30:07,730
like this on the basis of what we're

2193
01:30:13,480 --> 01:30:10,550
seeing more than other UFOs

2194
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:13,490
once again we're focusing on the

2195
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:15,610
technology and why it cannot be

2196
01:30:20,740 --> 01:30:18,770
somebody's secret test aircraft because

2197
01:30:22,510 --> 01:30:20,750
it would be a very interesting kind of

2198
01:30:23,980 --> 01:30:22,520
technology wouldn't it I have a wacky

2199
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:23,990
question asked in a moment

2200
01:30:29,740 --> 01:30:26,930
sure okay David Marlar is joining us

2201
01:30:36,530 --> 01:30:29,750
with the whacky gene and the very normal

2202
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:40,320
great minds think alike the network for

2203
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the independent-minded the genesis

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communications network G C first game

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01:30:51,330 --> 01:30:49,300
attack of the rock codes and it was a

2206
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:51,340
critically acclaimed success and now

2207
01:30:55,380 --> 01:30:53,290
there is the coming of the protectors a

2208
01:30:57,690 --> 01:30:55,390
former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

2213
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this is gripping science fiction of the

2214
01:31:10,830 --> 01:31:08,770
classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

2215
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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more and rockets calm

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that's rockets our Ock oids calm so

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job that keeps the lights on and a home

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to call your own but what happens when

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Mother Nature throws a curve ball

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are you prepared to live without

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electricity or passable roads for weeks

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at a time do you even have a plan B if

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you do are you willing to bet your life

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on it children left with no homes and no

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one's coming to help them the first step

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well I did but now that I do I'm not so

2258
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sure sir Johnson I got a mission for you

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I could change your life oh good sir it

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involves traveling halfway around the

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world we'll add so much as half a clue

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of where you're going or what you're

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gonna do when you get there situation

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normal sir hey man I'll be leading this

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mission Johnson so I'll be telling you

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what to do you sir that's right Johnson

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and I say first things first

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good plan sir and what I say is first is

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food always remember that Johnson food

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is a big deal sir my brother Larkin gets

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a really good deal on some surplus MREs

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that empty head of yours you'll call the

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it's good Johnson and it keeps for up to

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30 years we be gone that long sir well I

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hope not

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[Music]

2311
01:34:57,819 --> 01:34:55,959
this is Micah Hanks to the graylien

2312
01:34:59,890 --> 01:34:57,829
report and you're listening to the para

2313
01:35:00,630 --> 01:34:59,900
cast the gold standard of paranormal

2314
01:35:07,609 --> 01:35:00,640
radio

2315
01:35:14,839 --> 01:35:12,350
a wacky question okay so do you believe

2316
01:35:16,759 --> 01:35:14,849
first of all in the reality of the

2317
01:35:19,219 --> 01:35:16,769
Roswell case that may have been a

2318
01:35:21,529 --> 01:35:19,229
crashed spaceship this is going to sound

2319
01:35:23,629 --> 01:35:21,539
like a politically correct response but

2320
01:35:25,939 --> 01:35:23,639
it is the most honest response I can

2321
01:35:28,159 --> 01:35:25,949
give you when it comes to Roswell I'm an

2322
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:28,169
agnostic I there have been so many

2323
01:35:32,839 --> 01:35:31,199
stories circulated that I honestly don't

2324
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:32,849
know what to believe at this point or

2325
01:35:37,279 --> 01:35:35,010
what to accept the only thing I can

2326
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:37,289
actually state is something crashed I

2327
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:39,209
think all all people are in agreement on

2328
01:35:43,609 --> 01:35:41,610
that something crashed something was

2329
01:35:45,409 --> 01:35:43,619
recovered but there have been so many

2330
01:35:47,629 --> 01:35:45,419
stories that have circulated in so many

2331
01:35:50,330 --> 01:35:47,639
different permutations on this story

2332
01:35:51,799 --> 01:35:50,340
over the years and many witnesses that

2333
01:35:55,250 --> 01:35:51,809
have come forward with testimony that

2334
01:35:57,379 --> 01:35:55,260
were then later proven to be false that

2335
01:35:59,649 --> 01:35:57,389
I'm pretty much an agnostic when it

2336
01:36:03,589 --> 01:35:59,659
comes down to that I am very skeptical

2337
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:03,599
with regard to the let's say secondary

2338
01:36:07,129 --> 01:36:05,610
or tertiary aspects of the Roswell

2339
01:36:10,069 --> 01:36:07,139
incident namely like the mj-12 documents

2340
01:36:11,929 --> 01:36:10,079
and things like this a very skeptical

2341
01:36:13,699 --> 01:36:11,939
with regard to all of that but I

2342
01:36:16,850 --> 01:36:13,709
honestly don't know as I like to say I

2343
01:36:19,819 --> 01:36:16,860
wasn't there in July 1947 so I don't

2344
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:19,829
know what came down but I don't fall

2345
01:36:25,279 --> 01:36:22,800
into the traditional UFO belief system

2346
01:36:27,589 --> 01:36:25,289
that absolutely positively an

2347
01:36:29,060 --> 01:36:27,599
extraterrestrial craft crashed we've

2348
01:36:31,879 --> 01:36:29,070
been back engineering it over the last

2349
01:36:33,859 --> 01:36:31,889
several decades and mj-12 was created as

2350
01:36:36,589 --> 01:36:33,869
a result to deal with the situation I

2351
01:36:39,469 --> 01:36:36,599
don't readily accept that I can't

2352
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:39,479
discount it but to me I need to see more

2353
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:42,239
evidence of that okay if you kind of

2354
01:36:48,469 --> 01:36:44,639
begin to ask my question which is

2355
01:36:50,839 --> 01:36:48,479
assuming Roswell really was a crashed

2356
01:36:52,939 --> 01:36:50,849
spaceship and I find myself very much in

2357
01:36:56,119 --> 01:36:52,949
your camp I'm agnostic about what might

2358
01:36:58,369 --> 01:36:56,129
have happened that okay assuming it was

2359
01:37:00,830 --> 01:36:58,379
a crashed spaceship we would expect that

2360
01:37:03,409 --> 01:37:00,840
we'd be trying to reverse-engineer the

2361
01:37:05,779 --> 01:37:03,419
technology so therefore if we reverse

2362
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:05,789
engineer the technology from that or any

2363
01:37:12,619 --> 01:37:09,360
other crash could these black triangles

2364
01:37:14,689 --> 01:37:12,629
be the result of our attempts to

2365
01:37:19,429 --> 01:37:14,699
duplicate alien technology just

2366
01:37:21,319 --> 01:37:19,439
wondering that's all line of thought and

2367
01:37:26,930 --> 01:37:21,329
I think that

2368
01:37:29,629 --> 01:37:26,940
whether it was in 47 or 89 or 1962 if an

2369
01:37:32,299 --> 01:37:29,639
extraterrestrial craft did crash any

2370
01:37:34,910 --> 01:37:32,309
government any military would rule over

2371
01:37:37,100 --> 01:37:34,920
the ability to be able to understand and

2372
01:37:39,260 --> 01:37:37,110
back engineer the technology to

2373
01:37:41,839 --> 01:37:39,270
basically develop it into a weapon of

2374
01:37:43,399 --> 01:37:41,849
war and basically take over the world I

2375
01:37:45,049 --> 01:37:43,409
mean anybody that could suddenly have

2376
01:37:46,850 --> 01:37:45,059
advanced technology like that drop in

2377
01:37:49,580 --> 01:37:46,860
their lap that they could rule the world

2378
01:37:50,959 --> 01:37:49,590
if they so choose but you know the other

2379
01:37:52,700 --> 01:37:50,969
thing I like to mention and this is

2380
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,710
something that is usually never

2381
01:37:57,260 --> 01:37:54,480
discussed and so I'm glad you brought

2382
01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:57,270
that up you know quite often and I think

2383
01:38:01,700 --> 01:37:59,280
we know that the UFO belief narrative

2384
01:38:03,260 --> 01:38:01,710
that Roswell was an alien spacecraft we

2385
01:38:04,970 --> 01:38:03,270
did back engineer it we've mastered the

2386
01:38:06,970 --> 01:38:04,980
technology and now these a lot of these

2387
01:38:11,060 --> 01:38:06,980
objects are in fact back engineered

2388
01:38:12,919 --> 01:38:11,070
aliens / man-made technology what's

2389
01:38:16,370 --> 01:38:12,929
interesting though is I think it really

2390
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:16,380
presupposes quite a bit namely let's

2391
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:18,000
just say for the sake of argument that

2392
01:38:23,419 --> 01:38:21,210
an extraterrestrial craft did crash in

2393
01:38:26,450 --> 01:38:23,429
1947 and I really never hear people

2394
01:38:29,930 --> 01:38:26,460
really analyze it in this respect let's

2395
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:29,940
just speculate that the technology and

2396
01:38:33,649 --> 01:38:31,920
I'm going to be conservative let's just

2397
01:38:37,129 --> 01:38:33,659
say the technology is the thousand years

2398
01:38:40,669 --> 01:38:37,139
ahead of us and let's also keep in mind

2399
01:38:42,319 --> 01:38:40,679
it's alien technology okay so we have

2400
01:38:44,990 --> 01:38:42,329
two big hurdles here we have a thousand

2401
01:38:47,709 --> 01:38:45,000
year gap in technological advancement

2402
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:47,719
and it is alien by its very definition

2403
01:38:56,419 --> 01:38:52,250
how are we in 1947 or for that matter in

2404
01:38:59,330 --> 01:38:56,429
you know 2015 now going to necessarily

2405
01:39:02,209 --> 01:38:59,340
be able to even begin to comprehend the

2406
01:39:04,490 --> 01:39:02,219
physics behind this technology and I say

2407
01:39:06,859 --> 01:39:04,500
that just by looking at my smart phone

2408
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:06,869
sitting here in front of me if I just

2409
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:10,530
sent this back human technology in 2015

2410
01:39:15,290 --> 01:39:14,010
back to the late 1800s not even a

2411
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:15,300
thousand years not even close to a

2412
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:17,730
thousand years how would they even begin

2413
01:39:22,580 --> 01:39:19,770
to understand what they're looking at

2414
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:22,590
we've used that exact analogy numerous

2415
01:39:27,530 --> 01:39:25,170
times on this show right this is one of

2416
01:39:31,339 --> 01:39:27,540
the speculations we point out to that

2417
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:31,349
Chris takes his iPhone 5s and he sends

2418
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:34,489
it back through the time machine to

2419
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:37,050
18:14 where we took a little trip but

2420
01:39:43,700 --> 01:39:40,650
now it's like a song 18:14 and you give

2421
01:39:45,770 --> 01:39:43,710
those people your iPhone remember

2422
01:39:47,689 --> 01:39:45,780
there's no cellular network and maybe

2423
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:47,699
the battery still works but of course

2424
01:39:52,189 --> 01:39:50,159
once it's runs out of charge what

2425
01:39:53,870 --> 01:39:52,199
happens and then it's bricked would they

2426
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:53,880
even know how to open the thing up

2427
01:39:58,430 --> 01:39:56,610
without breaking it and again there's

2428
01:40:00,590 --> 01:39:58,440
two hurdles there's there's that the

2429
01:40:03,140 --> 01:40:00,600
temporal hurdle and the advancement in

2430
01:40:04,910 --> 01:40:03,150
technology but again let's say this is

2431
01:40:08,330 --> 01:40:04,920
something from another star system or

2432
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:08,340
another dimension of reality I mean that

2433
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:11,520
just compounds matters tenfold a good

2434
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:13,530
example of this line of thinking would

2435
01:40:17,959 --> 01:40:16,290
be Jacque fillets novel alien tell or

2436
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:17,969
fast Walker's that he co-wrote with the

2437
01:40:25,220 --> 01:40:22,530
Tracy Torme yes that exact scenario is

2438
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:25,230
addressed very I think very creatively

2439
01:40:30,380 --> 01:40:27,449
in in that book which I do also

2440
01:40:33,729 --> 01:40:30,390
recommend along with your book and the

2441
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:33,739
fact that valet comes down almost

2442
01:40:38,060 --> 01:40:36,090
suggesting that there's a biological

2443
01:40:40,580 --> 01:40:38,070
aspect to the technology that it's a

2444
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:40,590
living technology that's not totally

2445
01:40:46,580 --> 01:40:44,730
mechanistic and so you know we really it

2446
01:40:48,740 --> 01:40:46,590
we would be scratching our heads and I

2447
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:48,750
doubt that we could even figure out even

2448
01:40:57,890 --> 01:40:55,440
how to open the door and again we have

2449
01:41:00,169 --> 01:40:57,900
to take this UFO belief system and

2450
01:41:03,740 --> 01:41:00,179
that's really what it is belief system

2451
01:41:05,780 --> 01:41:03,750
in segments in small bites and again

2452
01:41:08,209 --> 01:41:05,790
let's assume for the sake of argument

2453
01:41:09,919 --> 01:41:08,219
Roswell did occur it was an

2454
01:41:12,950 --> 01:41:09,929
extraterrestrial spacecraft that crashed

2455
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:12,960
in 47 okay let's just run with that for

2456
01:41:17,209 --> 01:41:15,449
a minute okay the government retrieved

2457
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:17,219
it they had this advanced technology

2458
01:41:24,490 --> 01:41:19,920
they don't even begin to understand it

2459
01:41:27,290 --> 01:41:24,500
and you also have dead bodies okay

2460
01:41:29,330 --> 01:41:27,300
dead alien bodies or human for that

2461
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:29,340
matter are not going to be able to

2462
01:41:33,860 --> 01:41:31,199
answer questions in so far as where they

2463
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:33,870
come from why they're here and you know

2464
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:37,440
the nature of their existence so but

2465
01:41:41,169 --> 01:41:39,210
this this belief system that has

2466
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:41,179
developed within the UFO community is

2467
01:41:44,750 --> 01:41:42,810
they crashed

2468
01:41:46,189 --> 01:41:44,760
we've back engineered the technology we

2469
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:46,199
know where they come from we know why

2470
01:41:49,879 --> 01:41:47,280
they're here

2471
01:41:52,580 --> 01:41:49,889
I just think it speaks volumes and leaps

2472
01:41:54,169 --> 01:41:52,590
of logic just because you have a dead

2473
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:54,179
alien body just because you have a

2474
01:41:58,549 --> 01:41:56,639
crashed spacecraft doesn't give you any

2475
01:41:59,209 --> 01:41:58,559
insight into where it came from or why

2476
01:42:02,209 --> 01:41:59,219
they're here

2477
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:02,219
and even if et talked to you and could

2478
01:42:06,410 --> 01:42:04,650
be understood somehow you know they've

2479
01:42:09,229 --> 01:42:06,420
learned English they have a universal

2480
01:42:13,149 --> 01:42:09,239
translator whatever I assume they'd be

2481
01:42:18,979 --> 01:42:17,029
ice cream I thought they were making but

2482
01:42:21,589 --> 01:42:18,989
I thought they liked buckwheat pancakes

2483
01:42:24,169 --> 01:42:21,599
myself I thought they really had an

2484
01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:24,179
affinity for buckwheat pancakes ask Joe

2485
01:42:31,939 --> 01:42:30,030
Symington as if he's still alive even I

2486
01:42:34,729 --> 01:42:31,949
don't think so I don't think he was

2487
01:42:37,700 --> 01:42:34,739
pretty old I think back then occurred

2488
01:42:39,589 --> 01:42:37,710
but that if we could just jump back for

2489
01:42:41,870 --> 01:42:39,599
a moment I used that same argument with

2490
01:42:43,310 --> 01:42:41,880
regard to the abduction phenomenon you

2491
01:42:45,709 --> 01:42:43,320
know the abductees are given all this

2492
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:45,719
information how do you know the veracity

2493
01:42:50,299 --> 01:42:48,480
of those statements there's no possible

2494
01:42:52,580 --> 01:42:50,309
way you can verify the veracity of what

2495
01:42:54,529 --> 01:42:52,590
they're telling you yeah and why would

2496
01:42:57,859 --> 01:42:54,539
they get in touch with somebody totally

2497
01:43:00,020 --> 01:42:57,869
unknown you know a postal worker right

2498
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:00,030
in the country road coming home with his

2499
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:04,170
wife from a trip to New Hampshire well I

2500
01:43:07,700 --> 01:43:06,210
guess from ours I guess from our

2501
01:43:10,399 --> 01:43:07,710
scientific standpoint we could look at

2502
01:43:12,020 --> 01:43:10,409
it as just random sampling right but

2503
01:43:14,060 --> 01:43:12,030
don't you think it's happening too often

2504
01:43:16,279 --> 01:43:14,070
I mean some people say millions of

2505
01:43:21,379 --> 01:43:16,289
Earthlings are being impregnated with

2506
01:43:24,020 --> 01:43:21,389
alien DNA and the sperm of an alien even

2507
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:24,030
assuming it could work we have to know

2508
01:43:30,770 --> 01:43:27,449
pretty close in terms of the genetic

2509
01:43:34,879 --> 01:43:30,780
makeup to et4 cross breeding to be

2510
01:43:37,490 --> 01:43:34,889
possible right no I agree and I just

2511
01:43:40,430 --> 01:43:37,500
think that if you follow G is going to

2512
01:43:45,140 --> 01:43:40,440
move forward and survive as a viable

2513
01:43:47,839 --> 01:43:45,150
line of inquiry we need to be able and

2514
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:47,849
by we I mean the greater UFO community

2515
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:51,090
and I know I'm sounding idealistic here

2516
01:43:56,209 --> 01:43:53,250
and you can you can slap me for that but

2517
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:56,219
we need to be able to separate belief

2518
01:43:59,810 --> 01:43:58,800
from what we can substantiate you know

2519
01:44:01,790 --> 01:43:59,820
it doesn't matter

2520
01:44:03,589 --> 01:44:01,800
what Chris O'Brien believes it doesn't

2521
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:03,599
matter what David Marlar believes it

2522
01:44:08,450 --> 01:44:05,810
what matters is what we can document

2523
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:08,460
substantiate what matters is where the

2524
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:10,320
data takes us not where our beliefs

2525
01:44:16,220 --> 01:44:14,250
steer the data so what do you think

2526
01:44:19,729 --> 01:44:16,230
about the people out there who think the

2527
01:44:21,589 --> 01:44:19,739
UFO mystery is pretty much solved the US

2528
01:44:24,109 --> 01:44:21,599
Air Force or some other government

2529
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:24,119
agency has all the answers and now if we

2530
01:44:29,180 --> 01:44:27,840
could only get 100,000 signatures we've

2531
01:44:32,300 --> 01:44:29,190
sent it to the President of the United

2532
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:32,310
States and as a result of those 100,000

2533
01:44:38,260 --> 01:44:36,090
demands from the populace that we tell

2534
01:44:40,729 --> 01:44:38,270
the truth about UFOs that they admit

2535
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,739
everything they expected is true and

2536
01:44:44,689 --> 01:44:42,719
we're going to have this move into our

2537
01:44:47,689 --> 01:44:44,699
next segment don't lose your breath gene

2538
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:47,699
what are the chances that even if those

2539
01:44:53,290 --> 01:44:51,090
signatures are there that they get

2540
01:44:55,580 --> 01:44:53,300
enough people to do this crazy thing

2541
01:44:57,260 --> 01:44:55,590
that they're going to get more than a

2542
01:44:59,899 --> 01:44:57,270
polite brush-off just like the first

2543
01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:59,909
petition the first petition we sent it

2544
01:45:04,490 --> 01:45:02,159
out in some third level bureaucrat says

2545
01:45:07,129 --> 01:45:04,500
well of course we have no evidence that

2546
01:45:09,589 --> 01:45:07,139
spaceships are visiting us end of story

2547
01:45:11,930 --> 01:45:09,599
vericose the question about disclosure

2548
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:11,940
and the prospects we're asking that

2549
01:45:17,569 --> 01:45:13,920
question of David Marlar

2550
01:45:20,089 --> 01:45:17,579
author of a book about triangular UFOs

2551
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:20,099
this is the triangular gene with a

2552
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:22,770
straight arrow Chris you're in Liberec

2553
01:45:31,490 --> 01:45:28,890
not just an alternative to the

2554
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:31,500
mainstream media we're the premier

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01:45:38,490 --> 01:45:34,090
independent talk radio network

2556
01:45:40,500 --> 01:45:38,500
we are G C n hi this is Larry Smith

2557
01:45:41,190 --> 01:45:40,510
sometimes bad things happen to good

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01:45:43,290 --> 01:45:41,200
people

2559
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like when the jeweler ruined my ring and

2560
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wouldn't do anything about it

2561
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:46,480
but when my LegalShield attorney called

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him and told him what my rights were I

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received a check for over 20 $100 worry

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less and live more with LS protection

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stating a central bank issuing the

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public currency is a greater menace to

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remember laughter David Marla's joining

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us anyone who laughs at the jokes that I

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buddy this is a fun show I'm enjoying it

2623
01:48:24,700 --> 01:48:22,880
what do you think about disclosure it

2624
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:24,710
sounds like the cheap way out well they

2625
01:48:29,500 --> 01:48:26,810
know the truth so they're gonna tell us

2626
01:48:31,810 --> 01:48:29,510
what do you think I don't think that

2627
01:48:34,090 --> 01:48:31,820
we're going to have petitions that are

2628
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:34,100
going to suddenly pry the lid off of the

2629
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:37,280
UFO quote-unquote UFO secrecy my own

2630
01:48:40,090 --> 01:48:38,810
personal opinion is and I've known

2631
01:48:42,100 --> 01:48:40,100
people that have engaged in that

2632
01:48:44,770 --> 01:48:42,110
endeavor at state and you know and

2633
01:48:48,490 --> 01:48:44,780
national levels I just have four words

2634
01:48:50,350 --> 01:48:48,500
an exercise in futility yeah yeah that's

2635
01:48:51,970 --> 01:48:50,360
an understatement plus the petition is

2636
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:51,980
going to the wrong branch of government

2637
01:48:56,380 --> 01:48:53,840
the executive branch is not going to be

2638
01:48:57,730 --> 01:48:56,390
involved in any disclosure initiative

2639
01:49:02,800 --> 01:48:57,740
it's going to have to start with the

2640
01:49:04,690 --> 01:49:02,810
with Congress yeah I talked about this

2641
01:49:06,460 --> 01:49:04,700
in my book towards the end where I try

2642
01:49:08,770 --> 01:49:06,470
to you know extrapolate some some

2643
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:08,780
conclusions and some some ideas as far

2644
01:49:13,630 --> 01:49:10,610
as what the state of affairs is with

2645
01:49:14,830 --> 01:49:13,640
regard to UFOs and our government and

2646
01:49:15,970 --> 01:49:14,840
not just our government I mean I think

2647
01:49:17,620 --> 01:49:15,980
you know we always have to keep in mind

2648
01:49:21,940 --> 01:49:17,630
this is a global phenomenon it's

2649
01:49:23,710 --> 01:49:21,950
involving governments plural but again

2650
01:49:25,300 --> 01:49:23,720
my take is a little bit different than I

2651
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:25,310
think a lot of the people in the UFO

2652
01:49:31,300 --> 01:49:28,400
general UFO community I don't believe

2653
01:49:33,790 --> 01:49:31,310
the government has the answers you know

2654
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:33,800
even if as we as we you know speculated

2655
01:49:37,480 --> 01:49:35,840
earlier if Roswell occurred and they

2656
01:49:38,890 --> 01:49:37,490
have dead bodies and recovered

2657
01:49:40,330 --> 01:49:38,900
spacecraft that doesn't mean they've

2658
01:49:42,350 --> 01:49:40,340
mastered the technology and they have

2659
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:42,360
any more answers than we

2660
01:49:46,490 --> 01:49:44,370
as far as where these things are from

2661
01:49:50,750 --> 01:49:46,500
why they're here and how this technology

2662
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:50,760
works and I really think that the you

2663
01:49:54,290 --> 01:49:52,080
know if there is a quote-unquote

2664
01:49:56,210 --> 01:49:54,300
cover-up and you know we can kind of

2665
01:49:57,410 --> 01:49:56,220
discuss that as far as how you would

2666
01:49:58,880 --> 01:49:57,420
define that because that you know

2667
01:50:00,940 --> 01:49:58,890
there's differences in the definition of

2668
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:00,950
that it's a cover-up of their ignorance

2669
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:04,080
they know we do that's why they're a lot

2670
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:06,330
more confused and a lot less likely to

2671
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:08,130
admit that they're not in control which

2672
01:50:13,850 --> 01:50:11,370
is the conclusion that I've arrived at

2673
01:50:15,230 --> 01:50:13,860
as well it's not based on the fact that

2674
01:50:17,900 --> 01:50:15,240
they know it's not based on the fact

2675
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:17,910
they don't know and we pay our tax

2676
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:19,770
dollars so they do know so they do have

2677
01:50:24,770 --> 01:50:21,810
a handle on things so they can protect

2678
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:24,780
us so they can control our airspace but

2679
01:50:28,850 --> 01:50:26,850
when you have objects of unknown origin

2680
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:28,860
that are not only violating our airspace

2681
01:50:33,650 --> 01:50:31,890
but restricted airspace over areas as

2682
01:50:36,220 --> 01:50:33,660
Robert Hastings has researched over

2683
01:50:39,620 --> 01:50:36,230
nuclear weapons storage facilities in

2684
01:50:42,230 --> 01:50:39,630
1952 UFOs over restricted airspace over

2685
01:50:45,740 --> 01:50:42,240
the Capitol and the White House they are

2686
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:45,750
not going to acknowledge that and you

2687
01:50:51,710 --> 01:50:47,970
have to ask yourself if you are in their

2688
01:50:54,170 --> 01:50:51,720
position why would you what do you think

2689
01:50:56,420 --> 01:50:54,180
the authorities know about any of this

2690
01:50:59,000 --> 01:50:56,430
or are they as mystified as the rest of

2691
01:51:00,590 --> 01:50:59,010
us and just won't admit it well

2692
01:51:02,300 --> 01:51:00,600
obviously I don't know what they have

2693
01:51:04,430 --> 01:51:02,310
tucked away in their hangars and what

2694
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,440
objects may have been recovered but I

2695
01:51:09,110 --> 01:51:06,480
think just from again from a

2696
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:09,120
conservative standpoint if we can assume

2697
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:11,970
that at least a small portion of the

2698
01:51:17,690 --> 01:51:13,890
accounts that we have going back 60

2699
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:17,700
almost 70 years now where pilots have

2700
01:51:24,980 --> 01:51:21,090
sighted UFOs captured them on gun camera

2701
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:24,990
footage if the accounts of the late

2702
01:51:30,170 --> 01:51:27,360
Gordon Cooper can be taken at face value

2703
01:51:32,510 --> 01:51:30,180
where this UFO sat down on the dry

2704
01:51:35,210 --> 01:51:32,520
lakebed yeah you know at Edwards Air

2705
01:51:37,370 --> 01:51:35,220
Force Base and it was filmed and Gordon

2706
01:51:38,810 --> 01:51:37,380
Cooper you know American Hero States he

2707
01:51:41,210 --> 01:51:38,820
saw the footage he held it up to the

2708
01:51:44,450 --> 01:51:41,220
light and it was good clear footage and

2709
01:51:46,670 --> 01:51:44,460
a courier from Washington came collected

2710
01:51:49,100 --> 01:51:46,680
the film and took it back we have

2711
01:51:51,980 --> 01:51:49,110
numerous accounts of this and that's

2712
01:51:53,870 --> 01:51:51,990
just I'm just talking film footage they

2713
01:51:55,689 --> 01:51:53,880
know more than we do I think we can

2714
01:51:58,090 --> 01:51:55,699
safely assume that

2715
01:52:01,479 --> 01:51:58,100
especially with their level today as far

2716
01:52:04,300 --> 01:52:01,489
as satellites and imaging and and

2717
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:04,310
sensing equipment I think we can safely

2718
01:52:07,870 --> 01:52:06,050
assume they know more than we do now

2719
01:52:10,419 --> 01:52:07,880
obviously we don't know the details and

2720
01:52:12,580 --> 01:52:10,429
the degree to which they know more but

2721
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:12,590
they know more than we do but that being

2722
01:52:17,620 --> 01:52:15,170
said to our point we were just

2723
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:17,630
discussing that just because you have

2724
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:19,730
information doesn't mean you have

2725
01:52:24,370 --> 01:52:22,489
answers and I often say that in my

2726
01:52:26,500 --> 01:52:24,380
lectures I have a very large library

2727
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:26,510
which hopefully when you guys get a

2728
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:27,770
chance to come out to Albuquerque next

2729
01:52:31,689 --> 01:52:29,690
time I'd love for you to see but just

2730
01:52:33,669 --> 01:52:31,699
because I have case material and lots of

2731
01:52:35,439 --> 01:52:33,679
information doesn't mean I'm any closer

2732
01:52:38,140 --> 01:52:35,449
to answers than the first day I started

2733
01:52:41,650 --> 01:52:38,150
going down this path of investigation

2734
01:52:43,570 --> 01:52:41,660
I often say that I'm Way more confused

2735
01:52:45,939 --> 01:52:43,580
now than I wasn't when I first started

2736
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:45,949
20-plus years ago but I think I just

2737
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:47,690
think we need to make that distinction

2738
01:52:53,140 --> 01:52:49,850
just because you have information it

2739
01:52:55,660 --> 01:52:53,150
does not equate to answers Chris go

2740
01:52:58,740 --> 01:52:55,670
ahead with your question yeah I was

2741
01:53:02,590 --> 01:52:58,750
going to dive into the Stevensville

2742
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:02,600
events from a few years back where we

2743
01:53:08,740 --> 01:53:06,650
have multiple sightings of what appeared

2744
01:53:11,590 --> 01:53:08,750
to be a triangular craft in conjunction

2745
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:11,600
with f-16s that were first denied being

2746
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:14,210
in the air air at the time by the

2747
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:16,730
military and then later on they said oh

2748
01:53:20,939 --> 01:53:18,320
yeah well we did have some planes up

2749
01:53:23,590 --> 01:53:20,949
there but there was nothing to it and

2750
01:53:25,570 --> 01:53:23,600
also the possible incursion of

2751
01:53:29,860 --> 01:53:25,580
restricted airspace around Bush's

2752
01:53:31,180 --> 01:53:29,870
Crawford ranch let's discuss that case a

2753
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:31,190
little bit because that that to me is

2754
01:53:35,140 --> 01:53:33,050
one of the more compelling cases of

2755
01:53:36,610 --> 01:53:35,150
recent years yeah it's one of the more

2756
01:53:38,890 --> 01:53:36,620
compelling cases obviously we have a

2757
01:53:40,930 --> 01:53:38,900
number of eyewitness testimony again and

2758
01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:40,940
the interesting aspect which you touched

2759
01:53:46,209 --> 01:53:42,770
on was the fact that we had these Jets

2760
01:53:48,820 --> 01:53:46,219
operating in the area at the time and I

2761
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:48,830
don't think that you know people a lot

2762
01:53:52,750 --> 01:53:50,330
of people realize how significant the

2763
01:53:55,150 --> 01:53:52,760
Stevensville sightings were insofar as

2764
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:55,160
the degree and I believe MUFON even did

2765
01:53:59,470 --> 01:53:57,050
an investigation with regard to radar as

2766
01:54:00,820 --> 01:53:59,480
well at the time in that area that there

2767
01:54:05,410 --> 01:54:00,830
was an unknown object that was tracked

2768
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:05,420
on radar and despite the fact as many of

2769
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:07,280
the skeptics will say well this is all

2770
01:54:11,220 --> 01:54:09,130
anecdotal eyewitness testimony

2771
01:54:12,810 --> 01:54:11,230
it can't be accepted well let's just

2772
01:54:14,939 --> 01:54:12,820
take Stevensville and let's let's look

2773
01:54:16,350 --> 01:54:14,949
at the broader scope of Stevensville in

2774
01:54:18,990 --> 01:54:16,360
the context of other reports we have

2775
01:54:20,430 --> 01:54:19,000
Stevensville with radar confirmation of

2776
01:54:22,020 --> 01:54:20,440
an unknown target we have jet

2777
01:54:23,729 --> 01:54:22,030
interceptors in the air at the time

2778
01:54:25,979 --> 01:54:23,739
again because of the proximity of the

2779
01:54:28,830 --> 01:54:25,989
Crawford ranch as you mentioned we also

2780
01:54:32,820 --> 01:54:28,840
have chilean air force that tracked on

2781
01:54:36,300 --> 01:54:32,830
ground radar a triangular UFO back in 79

2782
01:54:39,149 --> 01:54:36,310
and 1980 two separate occasions and they

2783
01:54:41,100 --> 01:54:39,159
dispatched jet interceptors and the jet

2784
01:54:43,439 --> 01:54:41,110
interceptors were able to lock on to the

2785
01:54:45,540 --> 01:54:43,449
triangular UFO which was visually

2786
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:45,550
observed by one of the pilots kept at

2787
01:54:51,930 --> 01:54:48,370
the Neo cattle and 40s and then we also

2788
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:51,940
have 1980 November 18th 1980 as

2789
01:54:57,870 --> 01:54:54,730
documented by Bob Pratt and reported in

2790
01:55:00,030 --> 01:54:57,880
a number of newspapers 1980 over the

2791
01:55:03,689 --> 01:55:00,040
state of Missouri north-central Missouri

2792
01:55:06,330 --> 01:55:03,699
and parts of Kansas a large triangular

2793
01:55:07,860 --> 01:55:06,340
UFO that was sighted and the FAA stated

2794
01:55:10,439 --> 01:55:07,870
that they attract an unknown target at

2795
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:10,449
the time and in addition we have the

2796
01:55:16,189 --> 01:55:12,370
Belgian wave where we have ground-based

2797
01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:16,199
radar airborne radar lock-on of this UFO

2798
01:55:22,979 --> 01:55:19,330
in addition to ground visual observers

2799
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:22,989
so we you know for people that say and

2800
01:55:25,950 --> 01:55:24,250
recently I had someone here in

2801
01:55:28,470 --> 01:55:25,960
Albuquerque say well these are just

2802
01:55:30,510 --> 01:55:28,480
stories it's all anecdotal well not when

2803
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:30,520
you have a number of radar cases that

2804
01:55:36,419 --> 01:55:32,530
corroborate this and to your point

2805
01:55:41,879 --> 01:55:36,429
Stevensville is one of those cases yeah

2806
01:55:43,830 --> 01:55:41,889
and the the idea that f-16s with huge

2807
01:55:46,649 --> 01:55:43,840
afterburner flames shooting out the

2808
01:55:48,510 --> 01:55:46,659
backside really you know exercising the

2809
01:55:52,530 --> 01:55:48,520
full military power trying to chase this

2810
01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:52,540
thing down it sounds it sounds like

2811
01:56:00,149 --> 01:55:54,130
somebody took that particular event

2812
01:56:02,220 --> 01:56:00,159
seriously yes and in point of fact just

2813
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:02,230
this past Friday on the History Channel

2814
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:03,520
Canada

2815
01:56:08,610 --> 01:56:06,159
I done an episode which just aired last

2816
01:56:12,629 --> 01:56:08,620
Friday there and it covers the

2817
01:56:15,300 --> 01:56:12,639
triangular UFO phenomenon and in just I

2818
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:15,310
believe the second of two interviews

2819
01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:18,010
they actually interview the f-16 pilot

2820
01:56:22,570 --> 01:56:20,530
Eve who actually did achieve the lock-on

2821
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:22,580
of that UFO and

2822
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:26,370
what about lighter-than-air aerial

2823
01:56:32,270 --> 01:56:30,090
platforms that may be classified you

2824
01:56:34,900 --> 01:56:32,280
hear rumblings from time to time that we

2825
01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:34,910
are developing these stealth blimps

2826
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:38,000
obviously they're not going to answer

2827
01:56:46,490 --> 01:56:41,970
and speak to some of the exotic

2828
01:56:48,050 --> 01:56:46,500
propulsion issues you know going from

2829
01:56:51,190 --> 01:56:48,060
from standing still hovering to

2830
01:56:54,500 --> 01:56:51,200
extremely fast speeds

2831
01:56:58,210 --> 01:56:54,510
can we factor out these large

2832
01:57:01,100 --> 01:56:58,220
potentially classified aerial platforms

2833
01:57:02,750 --> 01:57:01,110
in fact I don't think we can rule out

2834
01:57:05,690 --> 01:57:02,760
military with regard to any of these

2835
01:57:07,730 --> 01:57:05,700
more modern reports except for the fact

2836
01:57:09,230 --> 01:57:07,740
as you mentioned the the ability that

2837
01:57:11,060 --> 01:57:09,240
the flight characteristics and again

2838
01:57:13,220 --> 01:57:11,070
this isn't me talking this is again

2839
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:13,230
based on some of the aerospace engineers

2840
01:57:18,290 --> 01:57:15,840
I've talked to like dr. Paul's this you

2841
01:57:20,420 --> 01:57:18,300
know he based on in his area was

2842
01:57:23,300 --> 01:57:20,430
advanced propulsion technology that was

2843
01:57:24,740 --> 01:57:23,310
this specialty let's go let's go more

2844
01:57:26,540 --> 01:57:24,750
into this in our next segment because I

2845
01:57:29,780 --> 01:57:26,550
want to ask you something else there

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relates to it we have David Marlar with

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not so sure sir Johnson I got a mission

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good sir it involves traveling halfway

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clue or where you're going or what

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you're gonna do when you get there

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situation normal sir I'll be leading

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this mission Johnson so I'll be telling

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you what to do you sir that's right

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Johnson and I say first things first

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good plan sir and when I say is first is

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food always remember that Johnson food

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is a big deal sir my brother-in-law can

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give us a really good deal on some

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a brain and that empty head of yours

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you'll call the freeze dry guy like I

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did that food is better for you it

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rehydrates faster and it's good Johnson

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and it keeps for up to 30 years we be

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gone that long sir I hope not

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now get your supplies organized and meet

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David Marlar is talking with us he's

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author of a book about triangular UFOs

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02:02:50,490 --> 02:02:48,730
an estimate of the situation and we're

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trying to estimate that situation right

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now this is an interesting question here

2974
02:02:57,360 --> 02:02:55,090
talking earlier about possible

2975
02:02:59,970 --> 02:02:57,370
influences of alleged alien technology

2976
02:03:02,460 --> 02:02:59,980
and we all kind of agree that that

2977
02:03:04,860 --> 02:03:02,470
technology may be far too advanced if it

2978
02:03:07,530 --> 02:03:04,870
exists for us to make much sense of it

2979
02:03:10,640 --> 02:03:07,540
but what about in general is it possible

2980
02:03:13,650 --> 02:03:10,650
here that exposed to anything like that

2981
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:13,660
we would just by the presence of UFOs

2982
02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:17,290
try to imitate in our own primitive way

2983
02:03:23,190 --> 02:03:20,770
some kinds of technology do you think

2984
02:03:26,130 --> 02:03:23,200
anything out there is based on the

2985
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:26,140
influence of the presence of UFOs if not

2986
02:03:30,660 --> 02:03:29,530
having control over the hardware yes I

2987
02:03:33,120 --> 02:03:30,670
don't think that's a stretch of the

2988
02:03:34,380 --> 02:03:33,130
imagination at all in fact I was

2989
02:03:36,330 --> 02:03:34,390
reviewing some of the project Bluebook

2990
02:03:38,610 --> 02:03:36,340
reports from the early years

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02:03:41,400 --> 02:03:38,620
specifically here in the Albert

2992
02:03:43,020 --> 02:03:41,410
querque Los Alamos area a lot of

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02:03:44,790 --> 02:03:43,030
Engineers a lot of scientists were

2994
02:03:47,460 --> 02:03:44,800
extremely interested at the time in

2995
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:47,470
those early reports and mainly because

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02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:50,890
as a scientist you know you're fueled by

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02:03:55,350 --> 02:03:53,050
the idea of how do things work how do

2998
02:03:58,650 --> 02:03:55,360
they function to your point if we can't

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02:04:01,500 --> 02:03:58,660
master or replicate the technology in

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02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:01,510
total then perhaps we can at least

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02:04:07,020 --> 02:04:04,810
glimmer some ideas or gain some insights

3002
02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:07,030
into being able to adapt our own

3003
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:09,730
existing technology in similar fashion

3004
02:04:14,220 --> 02:04:12,010
you know with regard to the the case I

3005
02:04:16,140 --> 02:04:14,230
investigated back January 5th 2000

3006
02:04:18,300 --> 02:04:16,150
involving that large triangular UFO near

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02:04:20,100 --> 02:04:18,310
Scott Air Force Base a lot of people

3008
02:04:21,870 --> 02:04:20,110
assume because it was seen in proximity

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02:04:24,570 --> 02:04:21,880
to Scott Air Force Base that it must be

3010
02:04:27,500 --> 02:04:24,580
military and I have gone on record from

3011
02:04:30,180 --> 02:04:27,510
day one and stated the most practical

3012
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:30,190
explanation would be that yes this is

3013
02:04:35,070 --> 02:04:32,890
something military however in the

3014
02:04:38,940 --> 02:04:35,080
absence of any official disclosures to

3015
02:04:41,910 --> 02:04:38,950
me that UFO and these other UFOs have to

3016
02:04:45,420 --> 02:04:41,920
be classified as unknown now that being

3017
02:04:47,490 --> 02:04:45,430
said 10 years from now if suddenly the

3018
02:04:49,410 --> 02:04:47,500
Air Force declassified documents are

3019
02:04:51,300 --> 02:04:49,420
they unveil an aircraft that is

3020
02:04:53,490 --> 02:04:51,310
triangular that has the flight

3021
02:04:56,310 --> 02:04:53,500
characteristics as demonstrated on

3022
02:04:59,010 --> 02:04:56,320
January 5th 2000 I'm more than willing

3023
02:05:01,020 --> 02:04:59,020
to say ok we can now write that one off

3024
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:01,030
but when you start going back

3025
02:05:04,650 --> 02:05:02,890
historically and that was one of the

3026
02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:04,660
other issues for writing the book or one

3027
02:05:11,550 --> 02:05:07,840
of the reasons rationales was to show

3028
02:05:13,110 --> 02:05:11,560
the history that okay in 2000 we might

3029
02:05:15,570 --> 02:05:13,120
be able to do explain this as man-made

3030
02:05:19,230 --> 02:05:15,580
technology how does that explain the

3031
02:05:22,290 --> 02:05:19,240
cases in England in 1960 or over

3032
02:05:25,560 --> 02:05:22,300
California in 1955 you know I really

3033
02:05:27,750 --> 02:05:25,570
tried to paint that tapestry of not only

3034
02:05:30,140 --> 02:05:27,760
the geographic distribution of these

3035
02:05:32,580 --> 02:05:30,150
reports but the temporal distribution

3036
02:05:34,530 --> 02:05:32,590
going back to the late 1800s as we

3037
02:05:36,240 --> 02:05:34,540
talked about earlier you know that's a

3038
02:05:38,610 --> 02:05:36,250
very good point I mean there is no

3039
02:05:40,620 --> 02:05:38,620
one-size-fits-all answer obviously and

3040
02:05:43,070 --> 02:05:40,630
we're probably dealing with multiple

3041
02:05:46,290 --> 02:05:43,080
scenarios here as with anything

3042
02:05:48,240 --> 02:05:46,300
involving the UFO mystery we do have a

3043
02:05:50,580 --> 02:05:48,250
question our question Bank where our

3044
02:05:51,490 --> 02:05:50,590
listeners are able to post questions for

3045
02:05:54,160 --> 02:05:51,500
our guest at 4:00

3046
02:05:56,620 --> 02:05:54,170
the para cast calm this particular

3047
02:05:59,590 --> 02:05:56,630
question comes from Wade Ridsdale who's

3048
02:06:00,700 --> 02:05:59,600
one of our are very active posters you

3049
02:06:02,860 --> 02:06:00,710
know this is something I've always

3050
02:06:04,510 --> 02:06:02,870
wondered about he's wondering in your

3051
02:06:06,280 --> 02:06:04,520
opinion what's up with the affinity

3052
02:06:08,530 --> 02:06:06,290
these crafts seem to have with with

3053
02:06:11,260 --> 02:06:08,540
highways and who reports that come from

3054
02:06:13,120 --> 02:06:11,270
overseas tend to follow in this vein it

3055
02:06:15,640 --> 02:06:13,130
just seems to me that they seem to

3056
02:06:18,850 --> 02:06:15,650
follow roads for some reason the Phoenix

3057
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:18,860
lights Stevensville you can go down the

3058
02:06:24,550 --> 02:06:21,530
list the Hudson Valley cases tended to

3059
02:06:27,390 --> 02:06:24,560
follow some of the parkways the Taconic

3060
02:06:29,710 --> 02:06:27,400
the sawmill the Henry Hudson Parkway

3061
02:06:32,860 --> 02:06:29,720
have you noticed a correlation between

3062
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:32,870
these flight paths attending to mirror

3063
02:06:38,440 --> 02:06:37,010
highway systems in detail but it's

3064
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:38,450
certainly something I think I'm going to

3065
02:06:43,180 --> 02:06:40,730
because it's it's a very good point that

3066
02:06:44,650 --> 02:06:43,190
they bring up there because when I wrote

3067
02:06:46,690 --> 02:06:44,660
the book and in the book there's a

3068
02:06:48,820 --> 02:06:46,700
number of cases like that there's one

3069
02:06:51,490 --> 02:06:48,830
over Illinois very close to Scott Air

3070
02:06:53,980 --> 02:06:51,500
Force Base again in the early 70s where

3071
02:06:55,510 --> 02:06:53,990
this large triangular UFO was reported

3072
02:06:57,610 --> 02:06:55,520
in the Metro East Journal which was the

3073
02:06:59,590 --> 02:06:57,620
local newspaper of the time before I was

3074
02:07:01,900 --> 02:06:59,600
engaged in historical UFO research

3075
02:07:04,210 --> 02:07:01,910
specific to the triangles I was going

3076
02:07:06,910 --> 02:07:04,220
through some microfilm about 10 15 years

3077
02:07:08,260 --> 02:07:06,920
ago and just pulled that out along with

3078
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:08,270
the number of other articles but as I

3079
02:07:11,980 --> 02:07:09,920
was putting together my triangular UFO

3080
02:07:14,260 --> 02:07:11,990
research found that account and this

3081
02:07:16,510 --> 02:07:14,270
triangle UFO basically pasted this car

3082
02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:16,520
and scared these two teenagers have to

3083
02:07:21,190 --> 02:07:19,040
death and they accelerated up to like 80

3084
02:07:22,570 --> 02:07:21,200
85 miles an hour and this triangular UFO

3085
02:07:24,340 --> 02:07:22,580
is keeping pace with them and

3086
02:07:26,650 --> 02:07:24,350
interestingly enough they describe

3087
02:07:28,360 --> 02:07:26,660
girders or beams on the underside of

3088
02:07:32,170 --> 02:07:28,370
this objects and learned to like Hudson

3089
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:32,180
Valley later in years but I also in the

3090
02:07:34,540 --> 02:07:33,410
course of writing the book to get the

3091
02:07:36,730 --> 02:07:34,550
information out there as you can

3092
02:07:39,130 --> 02:07:36,740
appreciate Chris I started getting this

3093
02:07:40,840 --> 02:07:39,140
influx of reports coming in from readers

3094
02:07:44,050 --> 02:07:40,850
and from people had heard about my book

3095
02:07:46,330 --> 02:07:44,060
and one was over in the UK a woman that

3096
02:07:48,700 --> 02:07:46,340
lives in clacton-on-sea right off the

3097
02:07:51,070 --> 02:07:48,710
English Channel and she reached out to

3098
02:07:53,170 --> 02:07:51,080
me because her and her daughter had a

3099
02:07:55,090 --> 02:07:53,180
sighting back in the late 80s they were

3100
02:07:57,190 --> 02:07:55,100
driving their little Ford Fiesta that

3101
02:07:59,860 --> 02:07:57,200
had a sunroof and they were going down

3102
02:08:01,930 --> 02:07:59,870
one of the the major arteries in the

3103
02:08:04,690 --> 02:08:01,940
southern of England they described this

3104
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:04,700
triangular UFO that came up over the

3105
02:08:07,270 --> 02:08:05,450
highway

3106
02:08:10,420 --> 02:08:07,280
and kept pace with their vehicle and

3107
02:08:11,830 --> 02:08:10,430
interestingly enough it mirrored reports

3108
02:08:14,140 --> 02:08:11,840
that I had already documented in the

3109
02:08:16,300 --> 02:08:14,150
book from that general time frame where

3110
02:08:18,190 --> 02:08:16,310
it's as though these triangular UFOs

3111
02:08:20,290 --> 02:08:18,200
were following these interstates were

3112
02:08:22,090 --> 02:08:20,300
following these cars and there was even

3113
02:08:24,610 --> 02:08:22,100
a case from Project Blue Book involving

3114
02:08:27,250 --> 02:08:24,620
two police officers in Texas where a

3115
02:08:29,260 --> 02:08:27,260
similar incident occurs so yes there

3116
02:08:31,570 --> 02:08:29,270
does appear to be a pattern now why

3117
02:08:34,150 --> 02:08:31,580
they're doing this I don't know are they

3118
02:08:37,150 --> 02:08:34,160
simply observing the activity of

3119
02:08:38,620 --> 02:08:37,160
individuals on these interstates or you

3120
02:08:40,360 --> 02:08:38,630
know are they intimidating or trying to

3121
02:08:42,640 --> 02:08:40,370
harass people just to see what type of

3122
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:42,650
response that they elicit I don't know

3123
02:08:47,800 --> 02:08:45,290
but there are a number of cases where

3124
02:08:49,270 --> 02:08:47,810
that is indeed the case big question

3125
02:08:50,980 --> 02:08:49,280
here in something we've been talking

3126
02:08:54,130 --> 02:08:50,990
about in the power cast in recent weeks

3127
02:08:56,680 --> 02:08:54,140
is what we see what we get when people

3128
02:08:59,110 --> 02:08:56,690
see these structured craft flying in the

3129
02:09:02,140 --> 02:08:59,120
skies triangular shape or elsewhere is

3130
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:02,150
that what the real phenomenon is or are

3131
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:04,970
we just getting a flavor of it in the

3132
02:09:12,010 --> 02:09:08,170
court and smooth what we expect to see

3133
02:09:13,390 --> 02:09:12,020
reality something like that David all

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02:09:15,250 --> 02:09:13,400
the answers of the mysteries of the

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universe come on right now I want it

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want the truth I want disclosure you can

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no forget it

3139
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if we can assume that there is a

3140
02:09:30,070 --> 02:09:26,750
tangible reality behind some of these

3141
02:09:31,750 --> 02:09:30,080
reports unfortunately we are only

3142
02:09:33,670 --> 02:09:31,760
susceptible to our own level of

3143
02:09:35,950 --> 02:09:33,680
perception you know all we can do is

3144
02:09:37,870 --> 02:09:35,960
document what we're perceiving there may

3145
02:09:39,910 --> 02:09:37,880
be a reality behind what we're

3146
02:09:42,220 --> 02:09:39,920
perceiving there's unfortunately no way

3147
02:09:44,530 --> 02:09:42,230
to substantiate that that being said I

3148
02:09:46,810 --> 02:09:44,540
think we need to appreciate that when we

3149
02:09:48,730 --> 02:09:46,820
are talking about observations and this

3150
02:09:50,860 --> 02:09:48,740
is certainly not a new idea this goes

3151
02:09:53,590 --> 02:09:50,870
back to the early 60s a researcher Otto

3152
02:09:55,660 --> 02:09:53,600
binder even talks about this he talks

3153
02:09:58,420 --> 02:09:55,670
about the fact that when these objects

3154
02:10:01,030 --> 02:09:58,430
disappear are they in fact quote unquote

3155
02:10:02,860 --> 02:10:01,040
disappearing or are they shifting the

3156
02:10:04,120 --> 02:10:02,870
frequency of light around the object

3157
02:10:06,190 --> 02:10:04,130
where it's simply moving into the

3158
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ultraviolet or infrared spectrum where

3159
02:10:09,670 --> 02:10:07,700
we're just simply not perceiving it any

3160
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longer admittedly our perceptions are

3161
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very limited just in relation to animals

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other animals on this planet before our

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perceptions get too limited by the

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so David Marlar maybe you don't

3277
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subscribe to the possibility that we're

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all just living in pods and the

3279
02:15:12,640 --> 02:15:08,809
computerized intelligence is directing

3280
02:15:13,839 --> 02:15:12,650
our perception of reality then I don't

3281
02:15:16,049 --> 02:15:13,849
know if we're living in the matrix or

3282
02:15:17,919 --> 02:15:16,059
not if that's what you're asking me gene

3283
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alright we're not going to get into that

3284
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that's just too wacky anybody's eyes but

3285
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the reason I mentioned that is looking

3286
02:15:30,600 --> 02:15:26,960
at how UFOs were perceived and how

3287
02:15:33,310 --> 02:15:30,610
they've migrated so if more of the

3288
02:15:36,250 --> 02:15:33,320
triangular UFOs are tend to be a more

3289
02:15:39,669 --> 02:15:36,260
recent phenomenon we see more of them

3290
02:15:43,209 --> 02:15:39,679
how does one explain this migration and

3291
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:43,219
the way that UFOs are presented or occur

3292
02:15:47,649 --> 02:15:45,530
well I think with regard to the

3293
02:15:49,600 --> 02:15:47,659
increased frequency of reports which you

3294
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:49,610
know based on the reports that various

3295
02:15:52,569 --> 02:15:51,050
organizations and investigators are

3296
02:15:55,569 --> 02:15:52,579
receiving they do appear to be

3297
02:15:57,640 --> 02:15:55,579
increasing I think just like the UFO

3298
02:15:59,469 --> 02:15:57,650
subject in general though you know when

3299
02:16:02,069 --> 02:15:59,479
we talk about areas that have waves or

3300
02:16:04,930 --> 02:16:02,079
flaps of activity I think you do have

3301
02:16:06,819 --> 02:16:04,940
possibly genuine unidentified objects

3302
02:16:08,919 --> 02:16:06,829
that were initially reported but then as

3303
02:16:11,080 --> 02:16:08,929
it generates media attention as people

3304
02:16:12,790 --> 02:16:11,090
become aware of it then they start

3305
02:16:14,830 --> 02:16:12,800
thinking that when they see a satellite

3306
02:16:17,200 --> 02:16:14,840
or a shooting star that maybe they've

3307
02:16:19,239 --> 02:16:17,210
seen a UFO I don't think that we can

3308
02:16:22,509 --> 02:16:19,249
separate that aspect from the triangular

3309
02:16:23,770 --> 02:16:22,519
UFO mystery namely that someone sees a

3310
02:16:26,109 --> 02:16:23,780
documentary they're talking about

3311
02:16:29,049 --> 02:16:26,119
triangular UFOs and then they go out and

3312
02:16:31,270 --> 02:16:29,059
they see a 747 at a distance too distant

3313
02:16:33,790 --> 02:16:31,280
to hear the jet but they see the landing

3314
02:16:35,979 --> 02:16:33,800
lights on the object namely three points

3315
02:16:37,509 --> 02:16:35,989
of light and so they attribute that oh

3316
02:16:39,429 --> 02:16:37,519
maybe that's one of those triangular

3317
02:16:42,070 --> 02:16:39,439
UFOs so I don't think we can ever rule

3318
02:16:44,679 --> 02:16:42,080
that out that there's a lot of noise in

3319
02:16:46,540 --> 02:16:44,689
the data so to speak and we need to kind

3320
02:16:49,019 --> 02:16:46,550
of sort through that and parse the data

3321
02:16:51,500 --> 02:16:49,029
to try to find what are legitimate

3322
02:16:53,990 --> 02:16:51,510
experiences and which ones aren't

3323
02:16:56,089 --> 02:16:54,000
as far as the frequency even if we can

3324
02:16:58,790 --> 02:16:56,099
remove some of the noise there does seem

3325
02:17:00,860 --> 02:16:58,800
to be a shift in the nature of reporting

3326
02:17:02,870 --> 02:17:00,870
I quote some of the statistics from the

3327
02:17:05,320 --> 02:17:02,880
national UFO Reporting Center and the

3328
02:17:07,639 --> 02:17:05,330
classic flying disc or flying saucer is

3329
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:07,649
kind of taking a backseat to these

3330
02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:11,010
triangular UFO reports and in speaking

3331
02:17:15,820 --> 02:17:13,290
with MUFON various chapters of MUFON

3332
02:17:18,019 --> 02:17:15,830
Florida for example right now they just

3333
02:17:20,360 --> 02:17:18,029
informed me last weekend that they have

3334
02:17:22,940 --> 02:17:20,370
an influx of triangular UFO reports that

3335
02:17:25,879 --> 02:17:22,950
are occurring I don't know what is

3336
02:17:28,459 --> 02:17:25,889
causing that is that a shift in the

3337
02:17:29,719 --> 02:17:28,469
phenomenon itself or is that a shift

3338
02:17:32,269 --> 02:17:29,729
getting back to your comment about

3339
02:17:34,910 --> 02:17:32,279
perceptions we're just perceiving the

3340
02:17:37,580 --> 02:17:34,920
reality differently than we did you know

3341
02:17:40,099 --> 02:17:37,590
in the early days when we had the flying

3342
02:17:42,700 --> 02:17:40,109
disc or flying orbs that were being

3343
02:17:44,990 --> 02:17:42,710
reported I don't know the answer to that

3344
02:17:47,030 --> 02:17:45,000
unfortunately yeah well then you know

3345
02:17:49,129 --> 02:17:47,040
you're suggesting that there may be and

3346
02:17:51,500 --> 02:17:49,139
I just I'm putting this out as a

3347
02:17:55,070 --> 02:17:51,510
hypothetical there may be some sort of

3348
02:17:57,530 --> 02:17:55,080
conforming to expectation the more

3349
02:17:59,540 --> 02:17:57,540
people are aware of a particular craft

3350
02:18:01,370 --> 02:17:59,550
shape in the 50s it would be flying

3351
02:18:04,490 --> 02:18:01,380
saucers and you know the Day the Earth

3352
02:18:06,980 --> 02:18:04,500
Stood Still the George Adamski and

3353
02:18:10,219 --> 02:18:06,990
others and then as we see it morphing

3354
02:18:12,110 --> 02:18:10,229
into you know the present day there's

3355
02:18:14,480 --> 02:18:12,120
been more of an emphasis after the

3356
02:18:16,250 --> 02:18:14,490
stealth fighter the b-2 more of an

3357
02:18:17,570 --> 02:18:16,260
emphasis on the triangular shape in

3358
02:18:20,089 --> 02:18:17,580
people's consciousness maybe it's

3359
02:18:22,730 --> 02:18:20,099
conforming itself to to our expectations

3360
02:18:24,620 --> 02:18:22,740
well I believe even the late researcher

3361
02:18:27,049 --> 02:18:24,630
John keel I think even touched on that

3362
02:18:29,839 --> 02:18:27,059
it's almost like it's teasing us it's

3363
02:18:31,790 --> 02:18:29,849
like just beyond our level of Technology

3364
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:31,800
in the way that it presents itself and

3365
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:33,120
you know we could even go back to the

3366
02:18:38,480 --> 02:18:36,170
old airship sightings you know 1896 1897

3367
02:18:40,250 --> 02:18:38,490
people are reporting these unusual

3368
02:18:42,860 --> 02:18:40,260
objects well they didn't look that

3369
02:18:44,780 --> 02:18:42,870
dissimilar from dirigibles of the time

3370
02:18:46,099 --> 02:18:44,790
but they were just a little bit

3371
02:18:48,919 --> 02:18:46,109
different you know they had electric

3372
02:18:50,990 --> 02:18:48,929
lights or they had spotlights so it's

3373
02:18:54,019 --> 02:18:51,000
almost like whatever this phenomenon is

3374
02:18:56,179 --> 02:18:54,029
and we almost have to delineate the

3375
02:18:58,070 --> 02:18:56,189
subjective versus the object of reality

3376
02:19:01,610 --> 02:18:58,080
and I'm not quite sure how to do that

3377
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:01,620
gentleman well here's here's another

3378
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:04,090
question no I have do we see a claw

3379
02:19:09,509 --> 02:19:07,840
stirring of these reports let's say that

3380
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:09,519
take North America for instance

3381
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:12,370
obviously in the Belgium wave some of

3382
02:19:16,320 --> 02:19:14,170
the English reports they did tend to

3383
02:19:18,599 --> 02:19:16,330
cluster but but here in this country do

3384
02:19:21,709 --> 02:19:18,609
you are they just willy-nilly they just

3385
02:19:24,290 --> 02:19:21,719
pop up everywhere or do we actually see

3386
02:19:28,500 --> 02:19:24,300
concentrated areas where these reports

3387
02:19:31,080 --> 02:19:28,510
tend to cluster well again with regard

3388
02:19:33,540 --> 02:19:31,090
to frequency data as you know it's so

3389
02:19:35,610 --> 02:19:33,550
frustrating because admittedly you know

3390
02:19:37,830 --> 02:19:35,620
we estimate we only probably receive one

3391
02:19:39,990 --> 02:19:37,840
out of every ten reports they you know

3392
02:19:41,910 --> 02:19:40,000
we put one report for every ten

3393
02:19:44,339 --> 02:19:41,920
sightings that are actually out there so

3394
02:19:47,190 --> 02:19:44,349
admittedly we're just we're just seeing

3395
02:19:49,500 --> 02:19:47,200
the tip of the iceberg but it seems like

3396
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:49,510
it's it's pretty generalized as far as

3397
02:19:54,120 --> 02:19:51,210
the activity I'm getting emails and

3398
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:54,130
phone calls from people all over the

3399
02:19:58,290 --> 02:19:55,930
country as well as the world reporting

3400
02:20:01,170 --> 02:19:58,300
these things as I mentioned though there

3401
02:20:02,790 --> 02:20:01,180
do appear to be areas for example James

3402
02:20:05,219 --> 02:20:02,800
Clarkson up in Washington State

3403
02:20:07,440 --> 02:20:05,229
MUFON he's had a number of triangular

3404
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:07,450
UFO reports that he's been keeping me

3405
02:20:13,620 --> 02:20:10,000
abreast of as well as the Florida MUFON

3406
02:20:15,599 --> 02:20:13,630
group but a unfortunately though we

3407
02:20:18,599 --> 02:20:15,609
don't have any formalized centralized

3408
02:20:20,490 --> 02:20:18,609
Network for reporting so admittedly I'm

3409
02:20:23,639 --> 02:20:20,500
getting these reports kind of on an

3410
02:20:25,740 --> 02:20:23,649
ad-hoc basis if we had one centralized

3411
02:20:28,469 --> 02:20:25,750
reporting Center where we could

3412
02:20:30,510 --> 02:20:28,479
basically channel all the UFO reports to

3413
02:20:32,099 --> 02:20:30,520
one location then I think we might be

3414
02:20:34,260 --> 02:20:32,109
able to gain a better appreciation of

3415
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:34,270
the true nature of frequency data and

3416
02:20:38,070 --> 02:20:37,120
clustering the frequency reports well

3417
02:20:41,340 --> 02:20:38,080
we're gonna have to start calling you

3418
02:20:43,020 --> 02:20:41,350
triangular report man and do a concerted

3419
02:20:44,849 --> 02:20:43,030
effort to get the word out that if you

3420
02:20:51,030 --> 02:20:44,859
see one of these triangular UFOs you

3421
02:20:55,530 --> 02:20:53,130
individuals contact me from various

3422
02:20:57,599 --> 02:20:55,540
countries which has been extremely

3423
02:21:00,150 --> 02:20:57,609
exciting because again you know I think

3424
02:21:01,410 --> 02:21:00,160
sometimes as researchers we I think it's

3425
02:21:03,389 --> 02:21:01,420
just naturally kind of developed this

3426
02:21:05,760 --> 02:21:03,399
parochial mindset where we're looking at

3427
02:21:07,889 --> 02:21:05,770
our state or our country and it's been

3428
02:21:10,349 --> 02:21:07,899
very encouraging to hear from readers

3429
02:21:12,630 --> 02:21:10,359
and and other individuals from various

3430
02:21:15,150 --> 02:21:12,640
countries sharing their insights and

3431
02:21:17,110 --> 02:21:15,160
their stories and that's a good point

3432
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:17,120
it's it's it's it's

3433
02:21:20,440 --> 02:21:18,170
writing and interesting to hear that

3434
02:21:22,091 --> 02:21:20,450
because it goes beyond what a lot of the

3435
02:21:24,700 --> 02:21:22,101
sociologists will say well this is just

3436
02:21:26,770 --> 02:21:24,710
a cultural phenomenon well not if it's

3437
02:21:28,960 --> 02:21:26,780
being reported worldwide and not in the

3438
02:21:31,301 --> 02:21:28,970
transcends decades I think that that

3439
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:31,311
argument kind of disintegrates right

3440
02:21:35,980 --> 02:21:33,290
before it falls far short

3441
02:21:40,420 --> 02:21:35,990
how about foreign reports from Asia for

3442
02:21:42,520 --> 02:21:40,430
instance China parts of India in the Far

3443
02:21:45,730 --> 02:21:42,530
East occasionally you'll hear about

3444
02:21:49,150 --> 02:21:45,740
triangular shapes but it doesn't seem to

3445
02:21:51,040 --> 02:21:49,160
be a predominant type of description

3446
02:21:55,890 --> 02:21:51,050
that you hear from the from the Far East

3447
02:21:59,110 --> 02:21:55,900
for instance well general look that

3448
02:22:00,850 --> 02:21:59,120
unfortunately due to language barriers

3449
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:00,860
and other things that really we don't

3450
02:22:06,280 --> 02:22:03,290
receive a lot of UFO reports in general

3451
02:22:10,030 --> 02:22:06,290
from these areas relative to say the UK

3452
02:22:12,720 --> 02:22:10,040
for example or Canada and I really would

3453
02:22:14,591 --> 02:22:12,730
like to establish more connections

3454
02:22:17,020 --> 02:22:14,601
internationally with some of these

3455
02:22:18,970 --> 02:22:17,030
groups researcher Ted bonnet out in

3456
02:22:21,670 --> 02:22:18,980
California he's in the process of

3457
02:22:23,591 --> 02:22:21,680
writing an article on UFO reports and

3458
02:22:27,730 --> 02:22:23,601
the shortage of those coming out of

3459
02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:27,740
China and I'm sure given the not only

3460
02:22:32,530 --> 02:22:30,410
the size of the country but the sheer

3461
02:22:34,210 --> 02:22:32,540
population is you can appreciate they

3462
02:22:36,370 --> 02:22:34,220
have plenty of eyewitnesses over there

3463
02:22:37,680 --> 02:22:36,380
well they also have the largest UFO quit

3464
02:22:40,330 --> 02:22:37,690
there's a million members

3465
02:22:43,540 --> 02:22:40,340
exactly I'm sure they're getting lots of

3466
02:22:45,370 --> 02:22:43,550
reports but I think and again I don't

3467
02:22:47,020 --> 02:22:45,380
know how to go about doing this we

3468
02:22:50,410 --> 02:22:47,030
really need to work on establishing

3469
02:22:53,320 --> 02:22:50,420
better international ties with these

3470
02:22:55,780 --> 02:22:53,330
foreign countries and sharing more

3471
02:22:59,051 --> 02:22:55,790
information we all kind of have our

3472
02:23:00,580 --> 02:22:59,061
little databases of information but we

3473
02:23:02,051 --> 02:23:00,590
need to start opening that up and

3474
02:23:04,810 --> 02:23:02,061
certainly with the technology now

3475
02:23:07,330 --> 02:23:04,820
compared to 20-30 years ago we have that

3476
02:23:09,730 --> 02:23:07,340
ability with Skype and with other you

3477
02:23:11,890 --> 02:23:09,740
know with email with webinars and things

3478
02:23:15,430 --> 02:23:11,900
like that we can start to open up a

3479
02:23:17,640 --> 02:23:15,440
larger worldwide global dialogue on the

3480
02:23:20,470 --> 02:23:17,650
subject we just have to get Google to uh

3481
02:23:22,450 --> 02:23:20,480
kind of brush up by their translation

3482
02:23:25,550 --> 02:23:22,460
program because some of the translations

3483
02:23:28,649 --> 02:23:25,560
coming from China

3484
02:23:30,569 --> 02:23:28,659
yeah yeah so you know but I think it

3485
02:23:32,340 --> 02:23:30,579
would be really interesting to be able

3486
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:32,350
to do that or to try to work towards

3487
02:23:36,710 --> 02:23:33,850
that endeavor with maybe the exception

3488
02:23:39,029 --> 02:23:36,720
of North Korea

3489
02:23:41,519 --> 02:23:39,039
well yeah and I wonder here when it

3490
02:23:44,279 --> 02:23:41,529
comes to translation I know my wife was

3491
02:23:48,090 --> 02:23:44,289
looking to combine French and English

3492
02:23:50,370 --> 02:23:48,100
words for the name of a new company that

3493
02:23:52,920 --> 02:23:50,380
she and her sister are establishing and

3494
02:23:54,359 --> 02:23:52,930
we would go on to Google Translate and

3495
02:23:57,870 --> 02:23:54,369
some of those translations were a bit

3496
02:24:00,120 --> 02:23:57,880
funky and I understand that the Chinese

3497
02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:00,130
do not like Google they're not very

3498
02:24:05,790 --> 02:24:02,170
welcome in China so maybe this is a way

3499
02:24:07,380 --> 02:24:05,800
of getting back at them of course I

3500
02:24:09,300 --> 02:24:07,390
haven't tried I haven't tried the

3501
02:24:11,449 --> 02:24:09,310
klingon translations yet because I

3502
02:24:14,340 --> 02:24:11,459
expect they're gonna be fascinating

3503
02:24:18,510 --> 02:24:14,350
we've got one more segment to spend with

3504
02:24:20,550 --> 02:24:18,520
our guests David Marlar about triangular

3505
02:24:37,170 --> 02:24:20,560
UFOs and the future with Jeanne and

3506
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Chris you're in the biggest attack of

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don't think you will find anyone who

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knows more about how the body works and

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can explain it in such a delightful and

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3599
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sweetheart of a deal actually it's a

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steal at 400 bucks so call guns eighty

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3602
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3606
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are listening to the pair cast the gold

3607
02:29:06,680 --> 02:29:03,530
let's go back to the cutting edge of

3608
02:29:09,320 --> 02:29:06,690
this story here David Marlar with regard

3609
02:29:12,200 --> 02:29:09,330
to these triangular UFO structured craft

3610
02:29:12,920 --> 02:29:12,210
does this mean they gotta be et can't be

3611
02:29:15,950 --> 02:29:12,930
anything else

3612
02:29:17,780 --> 02:29:15,960
no we alluded to the fact earlier in my

3613
02:29:19,580 --> 02:29:17,790
presentations I say there's three sides

3614
02:29:21,381 --> 02:29:19,590
to the triangle and I think there's

3615
02:29:23,990 --> 02:29:21,391
three probable explanations for what

3616
02:29:25,730 --> 02:29:24,000
we're dealing with one I think again the

3617
02:29:27,650 --> 02:29:25,740
most prosaic is that this is United

3618
02:29:30,140 --> 02:29:27,660
States military hardware that we're

3619
02:29:32,000 --> 02:29:30,150
seeing now at least some of the accounts

3620
02:29:35,390 --> 02:29:32,010
but again that doesn't explain the

3621
02:29:37,730 --> 02:29:35,400
reports back in the 50s the 60s and it

3622
02:29:40,100 --> 02:29:37,740
certainly begs the question why are we

3623
02:29:42,560 --> 02:29:40,110
flying these around the globe you know

3624
02:29:44,540 --> 02:29:42,570
over over countries that are supposedly

3625
02:29:45,890 --> 02:29:44,550
our allies without their knowledge

3626
02:29:47,810 --> 02:29:45,900
without their permission

3627
02:29:51,350 --> 02:29:47,820
there are certain practical questions

3628
02:29:53,780 --> 02:29:51,360
that come to play but I do believe based

3629
02:29:55,640 --> 02:29:53,790
on the exotic nature based on the flight

3630
02:29:58,190 --> 02:29:55,650
characteristics the flight dynamics that

3631
02:30:00,950 --> 02:29:58,200
have been demonstrated again back in the

3632
02:30:04,250 --> 02:30:00,960
40s the 50s the 60s as well as today

3633
02:30:06,860 --> 02:30:04,260
that we are dealing with some other type

3634
02:30:08,570 --> 02:30:06,870
of technology and I won't even begin to

3635
02:30:11,030 --> 02:30:08,580
speculate where that might derive from

3636
02:30:13,220 --> 02:30:11,040
but you know the third side of the

3637
02:30:15,320 --> 02:30:13,230
triangle I think realistically we're

3638
02:30:18,020 --> 02:30:15,330
dealing with a combination of both that

3639
02:30:19,540 --> 02:30:18,030
yes we have triangular aircraft the b-2

3640
02:30:22,450 --> 02:30:19,550
stealth bomber the the stealth fighter

3641
02:30:25,730 --> 02:30:22,460
but certainly if we know about those

3642
02:30:27,710 --> 02:30:25,740
admittedly you know they're five or six

3643
02:30:29,301 --> 02:30:27,720
steps beyond that if you know whatever's

3644
02:30:31,700 --> 02:30:29,311
being declassified today they're five or

3645
02:30:33,890 --> 02:30:31,710
six steps beyond that it's naive to

3646
02:30:36,530 --> 02:30:33,900
assume that they don't have technologies

3647
02:30:38,180 --> 02:30:36,540
and in advance of that so we can't

3648
02:30:40,070 --> 02:30:38,190
definitively sit here in state that our

3649
02:30:41,660 --> 02:30:40,080
military does not have aircraft that

3650
02:30:43,160 --> 02:30:41,670
conform to the description and the

3651
02:30:45,470 --> 02:30:43,170
flight dynamics that are being performed

3652
02:30:48,710 --> 02:30:45,480
but again I think we have to look at the

3653
02:30:50,720 --> 02:30:48,720
history though that okay if we can some

3654
02:30:53,060 --> 02:30:50,730
early discount all modern-day triangular

3655
02:30:56,210 --> 02:30:53,070
UFO reports how do we account for these

3656
02:30:58,881 --> 02:30:56,220
back in earlier decades question that we

3657
02:31:00,830 --> 02:30:58,891
can't answer exactly and that's new and

3658
02:31:03,320 --> 02:31:00,840
and that's just it I mean I you know I

3659
02:31:05,330 --> 02:31:03,330
tried to put together the historical

3660
02:31:07,730 --> 02:31:05,340
narrative regarding these triangular

3661
02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:07,740
UFOs compare it to the contemporary

3662
02:31:10,580 --> 02:31:09,210
reports

3663
02:31:12,650 --> 02:31:10,590
at the end of the day I mean the reader

3664
02:31:14,840 --> 02:31:12,660
and the researchers out there have to

3665
02:31:16,670 --> 02:31:14,850
arrive at their own conclusions one of

3666
02:31:18,050 --> 02:31:16,680
the things I stayed in my book and I and

3667
02:31:19,520 --> 02:31:18,060
I I'm afraid there's a lot of

3668
02:31:22,100 --> 02:31:19,530
researchers out there in the field today

3669
02:31:24,800 --> 02:31:22,110
that don't conform to this there is no

3670
02:31:26,780 --> 02:31:24,810
shame as a UFO researcher when posed a

3671
02:31:31,340 --> 02:31:26,790
question to answer with the statement I

3672
02:31:33,010 --> 02:31:31,350
don't know there's no shame let me say

3673
02:31:37,219 --> 02:31:33,020
this is very funny that you raised this

3674
02:31:39,710 --> 02:31:37,229
years ago I was just wheel and peering

3675
02:31:40,400 --> 02:31:39,720
at a UFO investigative group in Atlanta

3676
02:31:43,580 --> 02:31:40,410
Georgia

3677
02:31:45,320 --> 02:31:43,590
and I gave my presentation tried to be

3678
02:31:47,780 --> 02:31:45,330
straight and narrow like you are now you

3679
02:31:49,430 --> 02:31:47,790
know you're not telling us it has to be

3680
02:31:51,650 --> 02:31:49,440
this explanation or this we're looking

3681
02:31:53,210 --> 02:31:51,660
at possibilities we don't know yet a lot

3682
02:31:55,880 --> 02:31:53,220
of work has to be done I try to take

3683
02:31:58,730 --> 02:31:55,890
that position strict scientific

3684
02:32:01,670 --> 02:31:58,740
evaluation and boy they were after me

3685
02:32:04,130 --> 02:32:01,680
that was really young then so I didn't

3686
02:32:06,740 --> 02:32:04,140
have all the skills I've developed over

3687
02:32:09,380 --> 02:32:06,750
400 years of radio broadcasting but in

3688
02:32:12,260 --> 02:32:09,390
those days they were really went after

3689
02:32:13,550 --> 02:32:12,270
me they had to have the answer I had to

3690
02:32:15,950 --> 02:32:13,560
be the guy who was going to tell him

3691
02:32:20,390 --> 02:32:15,960
what UFOs really worked I think then

3692
02:32:22,730 --> 02:32:20,400
maybe why people want to believe it CT

3693
02:32:25,340 --> 02:32:22,740
or anything because they don't want a

3694
02:32:26,870 --> 02:32:25,350
mystery that can't be explained well and

3695
02:32:28,640 --> 02:32:26,880
that's just it and that's why I tell

3696
02:32:30,920 --> 02:32:28,650
people in my lectures there's a reason

3697
02:32:36,250 --> 02:32:30,930
we call it a mystery because no one has

3698
02:32:38,750 --> 02:32:36,260
any definitive answers well yes he does

3699
02:32:41,480 --> 02:32:38,760
well that doesn't mean we shouldn't

3700
02:32:45,020 --> 02:32:41,490
strive towards trying to achieve those

3701
02:32:47,360 --> 02:32:45,030
answers besides which Chris we've had

3702
02:32:50,180 --> 02:32:47,370
back-and-forth discussions on this if

3703
02:32:52,219 --> 02:32:50,190
race stanford has the answers you know

3704
02:32:54,760 --> 02:32:52,229
it's getting late yeah what are those

3705
02:32:57,290 --> 02:32:54,770
answers well he thinks that pencil-thin

3706
02:33:01,310 --> 02:32:57,300
grandmother ships 14 miles long a

3707
02:33:04,010 --> 02:33:01,320
discharging 1,400 foot black triangles

3708
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:04,020
that are discharging smaller Scout craft

3709
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:06,090
and that these black triangles docked

3710
02:33:11,180 --> 02:33:08,010
with the grandmother ships and he's got

3711
02:33:14,450 --> 02:33:11,190
he claims again I have seen some of the

3712
02:33:15,890 --> 02:33:14,460
stills from these movies and it sure

3713
02:33:18,280 --> 02:33:15,900
looks like these things are docking

3714
02:33:21,650 --> 02:33:18,290
underneath these grandmother ships and

3715
02:33:22,911 --> 02:33:21,660
potentially discharging Delta clip

3716
02:33:25,611 --> 02:33:22,921
DeltaWing craft

3717
02:33:28,661 --> 02:33:25,621
and more commonly referred to as flying

3718
02:33:31,581 --> 02:33:28,671
saucer discoid all type craft it

3719
02:33:34,701 --> 02:33:31,591
impossibly hex hexagonal actually poly

3720
02:33:37,851 --> 02:33:34,711
poly sided craft that are misconstrued

3721
02:33:40,041 --> 02:33:37,861
as as this and as I said in my initial

3722
02:33:41,930 --> 02:33:40,051
phone call with you David I I think you

3723
02:33:45,531 --> 02:33:41,940
would be absolutely fascinated to be

3724
02:33:48,291 --> 02:33:45,541
turned on to to raise work and it may or

3725
02:33:51,441 --> 02:33:48,301
may not give you a little bit of a leg

3726
02:33:53,691 --> 02:33:51,451
up on on this situation I'm still the

3727
02:33:55,851 --> 02:33:53,701
jury's out as to you know if let's say

3728
02:33:58,341 --> 02:33:55,861
Ray's work is his will and his

3729
02:34:00,231 --> 02:33:58,351
interpretation of these craft and his

3730
02:34:02,031 --> 02:34:00,241
analysis is correct I'm not fully

3731
02:34:04,430 --> 02:34:02,041
convinced they're coming from other star

3732
02:34:07,161 --> 02:34:04,440
systems but the amount of visual

3733
02:34:09,680 --> 02:34:07,171
evidence that he is he is analyzing his

3734
02:34:11,930 --> 02:34:09,690
very compelling and I would love to get

3735
02:34:13,281 --> 02:34:11,940
ray out into this neck of the woods at

3736
02:34:15,441 --> 02:34:13,291
some point in boy you're gonna be one of

3737
02:34:16,941 --> 02:34:15,451
the first people that I let know about

3738
02:34:19,521 --> 02:34:16,951
that and we'll try to get some sort of

3739
02:34:21,651 --> 02:34:19,531
uh invitation-only or even a public

3740
02:34:23,180 --> 02:34:21,661
meeting so that we can expose some of

3741
02:34:26,031 --> 02:34:23,190
this information I think he would find

3742
02:34:27,591 --> 02:34:26,041
it fascinating absolutely as you

3743
02:34:28,071 --> 02:34:27,601
mentioned towards the beginning of the

3744
02:34:29,511 --> 02:34:28,081
show

3745
02:34:31,521 --> 02:34:29,521
Ray was one of those that reached out to

3746
02:34:33,711 --> 02:34:31,531
me after my book was published and I was

3747
02:34:36,711 --> 02:34:33,721
ecstatic because I have a lot of respect

3748
02:34:40,491 --> 02:34:36,721
for Ray if if for nothing else his

3749
02:34:43,731 --> 02:34:40,501
tenacity to continue to pursue this

3750
02:34:45,651 --> 02:34:43,741
mystery after decades you know from when

3751
02:34:48,430 --> 02:34:45,661
he and his brother were teenagers in the

3752
02:34:50,571 --> 02:34:48,440
in the mid-50s in the early fifties

3753
02:34:53,991 --> 02:34:50,581
there aren't many people that have that

3754
02:34:55,941 --> 02:34:54,001
level of tenacity you know he and jock

3755
02:34:58,281 --> 02:34:55,951
valet or to the names that immediately

3756
02:34:59,901 --> 02:34:58,291
come to mind you know to people that you

3757
02:35:02,901 --> 02:34:59,911
know I hold in pretty high regard as

3758
02:35:05,661 --> 02:35:02,911
well I might add but when you think

3759
02:35:08,211 --> 02:35:05,671
about that it's literally a lifetime of

3760
02:35:11,121 --> 02:35:08,221
pursuit and investigation and research

3761
02:35:14,180 --> 02:35:11,131
so my hat is off to people like like ray

3762
02:35:16,701 --> 02:35:14,190
and dr. ballet for just the sticking

3763
02:35:18,831 --> 02:35:16,711
with this as long as they have and as we

3764
02:35:20,811 --> 02:35:18,841
all know you know it's not necessarily

3765
02:35:22,430 --> 02:35:20,821
the phenomenon in the mystery of the

3766
02:35:24,321 --> 02:35:22,440
phenomenon that's frustrating it's some

3767
02:35:27,171 --> 02:35:24,331
of the people within the UFO community

3768
02:35:29,511 --> 02:35:27,181
that are the most frustrating doesn't

3769
02:35:32,200 --> 02:35:29,521
understatement care to drop a few names

3770
02:35:37,630 --> 02:35:33,700
talk about those that I like rather than

3771
02:35:39,219 --> 02:35:37,640
those I dislike let me ask you this then

3772
02:35:41,800 --> 02:35:39,229
and this goes master call and you should

3773
02:35:44,050 --> 02:35:41,810
have been a politician man let's go back

3774
02:35:46,750 --> 02:35:44,060
to this then there is a site now

3775
02:35:48,310 --> 02:35:46,760
inactive called UFO watchdog dot-com

3776
02:35:50,050 --> 02:35:48,320
that we used to control here at the

3777
02:35:52,570 --> 02:35:50,060
power cast before it referred to its

3778
02:35:54,700 --> 02:35:52,580
original owner or Royce Myers and that

3779
02:35:57,880 --> 02:35:54,710
is if you look at the lists the Hall of

3780
02:35:59,890 --> 02:35:57,890
Shame was much much larger than the Hall

3781
02:36:02,320 --> 02:35:59,900
of Fame that people who are doing good

3782
02:36:04,420 --> 02:36:02,330
work so I hope that you don't have the

3783
02:36:06,670 --> 02:36:04,430
same opinion that more people are doing

3784
02:36:08,770 --> 02:36:06,680
wacky stuff you know I haven't actually

3785
02:36:11,800 --> 02:36:08,780
sat down to kind of crunch the numbers

3786
02:36:14,320 --> 02:36:11,810
but let me just say that you know

3787
02:36:15,880 --> 02:36:14,330
there's there's a small percentage of

3788
02:36:17,770 --> 02:36:15,890
people that I hold in very high regard

3789
02:36:20,200 --> 02:36:17,780
and Chris certainly you're one of them

3790
02:36:22,240 --> 02:36:20,210
and I'm not just saying that you know to

3791
02:36:24,850 --> 02:36:22,250
kind of you know butter you up on the

3792
02:36:26,230 --> 02:36:24,860
show here but you really are following

3793
02:36:28,480 --> 02:36:26,240
the evidence to where it leads

3794
02:36:29,800 --> 02:36:28,490
regardless of what that outcome is and

3795
02:36:33,910 --> 02:36:29,810
that's what I've been trying to do as

3796
02:36:36,310 --> 02:36:33,920
well it doesn't make very popular it

3797
02:36:39,100 --> 02:36:36,320
doesn't matter what I personally believe

3798
02:36:41,890 --> 02:36:39,110
what matters is where the evidence seems

3799
02:36:45,460 --> 02:36:41,900
to take us or where the information is

3800
02:36:47,200 --> 02:36:45,470
leading us that's a good ending ok David

3801
02:36:48,969 --> 02:36:47,210
Marlar can you tell our listeners where

3802
02:36:51,370 --> 02:36:48,979
they can find more of the stuff that you

3803
02:36:52,930 --> 02:36:51,380
do well I'm actually in the process of

3804
02:36:54,219 --> 02:36:52,940
developing my website I'm having a

3805
02:36:55,630 --> 02:36:54,229
meeting later today to get the ball

3806
02:36:57,730 --> 02:36:55,640
rolling on that so I don't have it up

3807
02:36:59,680 --> 02:36:57,740
and running yet the best place is just

3808
02:37:01,990 --> 02:36:59,690
to go to amazon.com where they can find

3809
02:37:04,000 --> 02:37:02,000
information on myself as well as a

3810
02:37:06,130 --> 02:37:04,010
description of the research contained in

3811
02:37:08,440 --> 02:37:06,140
the book and since we do put up websites

3812
02:37:11,830 --> 02:37:08,450
in fact we're hosting this site now on a

3813
02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:11,840
genuine Mac Mini believe it or not we

3814
02:37:16,090 --> 02:37:14,090
have a little expertise in the area so

3815
02:37:17,100 --> 02:37:16,100
let me know you can reach out to me and

3816
02:37:19,960 --> 02:37:17,110
I'll try to help if I can

3817
02:37:21,820 --> 02:37:19,970
excellent we also have a presence on

3818
02:37:24,730 --> 02:37:21,830
Twitter if you are looking for one on

3819
02:37:26,530 --> 02:37:24,740
Twitter where the power casts we are the

3820
02:37:30,370 --> 02:37:26,540
power casts on Twitter I'm also looking

3821
02:37:32,620 --> 02:37:30,380
into opening a section on Pinterest okay

3822
02:37:35,050 --> 02:37:32,630
we also have that other special service

3823
02:37:37,930 --> 02:37:35,060
called the power cast plus go to plus

3824
02:37:40,660 --> 02:37:37,940
dr. power cast com+ dot the power cast

3825
02:37:43,890 --> 02:37:40,670
com you can subscribe for five dollars a

3826
02:37:46,110 --> 02:37:43,900
month $50 a year here is what you get

3827
02:37:49,320 --> 02:37:46,120
and free version of the para cast you

3828
02:37:51,900 --> 02:37:49,330
asked for it higher resolution copy okay

3829
02:37:54,600 --> 02:37:51,910
you also get the after the para cast

3830
02:37:58,081 --> 02:37:54,610
podcast where Chris and I talked about

3831
02:37:59,761 --> 02:37:58,091
all sorts of fascinating subjects and

3832
02:38:01,081 --> 02:37:59,771
maybe we'll have some special guests on

3833
02:38:03,331 --> 02:38:01,091
there in the future we'll be adding more

3834
02:38:06,841 --> 02:38:03,341
features plus stop the para cast com

3835
02:38:09,511 --> 02:38:06,851
Chris O'Brien site is our strange planet

3836
02:38:11,730 --> 02:38:09,521
calm that's our strange planet calm I

3837
02:38:13,610 --> 02:38:11,740
know you should be updating it real soon

3838
02:38:16,560 --> 02:38:13,620
now with more fascinating information

3839
02:38:19,081 --> 02:38:16,570
but if you visit there and you buy one

3840
02:38:21,091 --> 02:38:19,091
of his books the print edition we hope

3841
02:38:22,801 --> 02:38:21,101
because there's nothing like print and

3842
02:38:25,980 --> 02:38:22,811
get the Kindle versions too to get the

3843
02:38:28,171 --> 02:38:25,990
print edition Chris will ship it but

3844
02:38:30,690 --> 02:38:28,181
first he'll sign it have you buy his

3845
02:38:32,430 --> 02:38:30,700
newest book stalking the herd it'll be

3846
02:38:34,980 --> 02:38:32,440
numbered I think he starts in numbers at

3847
02:38:35,910 --> 02:38:34,990
3 million right Chrissy nope just one to

3848
02:38:38,400 --> 02:38:35,920
a thousand that's it

3849
02:38:41,041 --> 02:38:38,410
ok so he's running out of copies that's

3850
02:38:43,680 --> 02:38:41,051
it this has just been such a fascinating

3851
02:38:45,360 --> 02:38:43,690
session glad to meet you David Marlar

3852
02:38:54,490 --> 02:38:45,370
thanks for joining us in the para cast

3853
02:39:01,040 --> 02:38:58,010
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3854
02:39:03,910 --> 02:39:01,050
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3855
02:39:07,640 --> 02:39:03,920
presentation of making the impossible

3856
02:39:12,520 --> 02:39:07,650
Incorporated tune in next week for a new